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Posted on Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:44 pm
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Anyone else notice or have a problem with guage discrepancy on rings from ringlord (or anywhere else)?

Our local "hippy fair" was weekend before last, and I met a cool kid there that also does chainmaille. Some of the hippy kids had come to me wanting a chainmaille hacky sack, which I knew had been done, but I wasn't sure how to start. One of them had a 16gu steel byzantine penta-net hacky that he asked if I could repair, and I could and did.

Then ( Embaressed ) I copied it and studied it. The mailler kid and I put our heads together on a better design (because the byz was way too stiff) and started playing around. He brings out some 16gu steel rings from ringlord....except they aren't 16 gu, they're 14. I point this out just from eyeballing it and he argues with me, "They're from ringlord, and he says they're 16gu, so they must be."

So I whip out the handy dandy wire guage, and sure enough, they are, in fact, 14gu. Told the kid where to buy a guage wheel, and then thought I should ask to see if anyone else ever notices or has a problem with sizing discrepancies?

BTW Jap 6-1 is so far my best try (thanks for the hint tesserex). I've got it almost perfect. Now I'm eyeballing buying or making some steel rings. But I'm afraid to buy if I'm going to have this guage discrepancy, unless its consistent, then I'll just adjust my order accordingly.

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Posted on Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:22 pm
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Is your gauge AWG or SWG? That'll make a huge difference.
Though it is possible that TRL screwed up the order and the kid didn't notice. Their quality control is very good, but these things do happen.

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Posted on Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:40 pm
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It says: American Standard Wire Gage for Non-Ferrous Metals

That's exact spelling and everything.

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It says: American Standard Wire Gage for Non-Ferrous Metals

That's exact spelling and everything.

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It says: American Standard Wire Gage for Non-Ferrous Metals

That's exact spelling and everything.

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Posted on Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:17 am
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zzapp the witch wrote:
It says: American Standard Wire Gage for Non-Ferrous Metals

That's exact spelling and everything.


And you said the hackey was steel which is FERROUS. Your gauge is for non-ferrous wires which are measured in AWG and the steel was SWG or ASWG (American Steel Wire Gauge) which are used for steel.

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Posted on Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:02 pm
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Yup, there's your problem.
Of course, to make it one step better, not everyone uses the proper gauges for everything. For example, TRL uses AWG for all small wire of any metal, and SWG for large wire.
Don't simply trust the number some fool attaches to wire. You must either specify the gauge system (and hope everything is labelled correctly) or specify the actual diameter (Say .022" instead of 24g)

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Posted on Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:18 pm
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but what if you dont know the wire size, but you have a pice that you need more of

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Posted on Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:28 pm
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measure it, and get more that size.

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Posted on Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:30 pm
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what would we use to mesure it, all i have over is a plain foot ruler, and a drill chart that gose in 1/32 intervols

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Posted on Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:11 pm
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callipers.

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Posted on Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:34 pm
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a what

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Posted on Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:27 pm
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By drill chart, do you mean a plate with holes, or a poster listing the conversions?
If it's a plate, you can use it to measure the wire. If not, and you're stuck with a ruler, your only option would be to go at least $20 on a new tool.

Or, sinc eyou have some rings you want to copy, you can measure the ID with your ruler, then figure out the AR by seeing what weaves it can make. From there you can calculate the wire size.

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Posted on Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:02 pm
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the drill chart i have is a plate with holes, but it is loose on the hole that is about 1.98mm but wont fit in the hole that is 1.58mm

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Posted on Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:27 pm
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OK, so you know it's somewhere between those two sizes. Now you go check the wire diameter at your supplier, and see which it is.
You might need to convert it to inches first.

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