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proposing FFP weave page that matches the links
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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:13 pm || Last edited by djgm on Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:06 pm; edited 1 time in total
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so Batives Flat Full Persian is not what people consider FFP. I am proposing we create a new page for FFP where the gallery posts and CGI tutorial links could attach. here is an example of a pictures that could be on this proposed new page.[url]
[/url] and side view,,[url]
[/url] i made this sample with an AR looser than the ideal to make the connections easier to see, I'm curious if the loose AR sample would be preferable or if since there is a tutorial an ideal AR sample would be better.
the description in the new FFP page could be as follows. A progression of Hawkskaede where two paralleled sides are contracted from Persian 1-1-1 to half persian 3in1,,A variation of Syringa where the two hp 3in1 chains are made with the same lean or (handedness).
in short what i am proposing is Batives FFP entry be renamed and we create an FFP page that actually exemplifies the pictures tutorials and other weave pages linked to it. (i especially want your input Narrina as the task of editing weave titles and approving new weave pages falls to you)
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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:51 pm
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if there is question as to what Batives weave is allow me to clarify.
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it is an Offset Full Persian, it is an FFP 6in1, it does not match the FFP 6in1 tutorial on MWW, the FFP 6in1 tutorial on MWW would be more aptly named Syringa 6in1 due to the lean of the hp3in1 chain.

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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:04 pm
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i litterally just came to the same conclussion when i figured out batives ffp 6 in 1 from the crappy pic. i've never done an offset before. i feel so happy now that the problem is now solved.



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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:06 pm
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i propose offset be it's own tag in the weave search.



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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:13 pm
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also, a big reason why i had so much trouble recreating batives ffp6 in 1 was due to the listed 5.5 ideal ar. when in reality, the minimum is around 6.7 ar. way off. can we get that changed too?



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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:31 pm
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ya this is an AR 6.3 and its pretty much ideal for a necklace i dont think 5.5 would happen, im not even trying it.[url]
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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:15 pm
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i got 6.62 ar as minimum with my sample unable to bend at all.



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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:20 pm
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hmm, i measured twice got rings ranging from 0.2 to 0.21 with wire 0.032, i've found micro and macro often have slight AR discrepancies not sure why but does happen.

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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:27 pm
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yeah, we are pretty close, but i've noticed these kinds of ar discrepencies too. i've got 16swg .058" wd with .384" id.



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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:36 pm
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its not very AR sensitive anyway. stays flat up to the high AR 6s, I suspect it would never really become square as per the FFP 5in1

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Posted on Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:11 am
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agreed. a really nice weave. i can't believe it's been in the dark so long. i've never even seen another picture of it in my 20 years mailling.



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Posted on Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:16 pm
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mithrilweaver wrote:
i can't believe it's been in the dark so long. i've never even seen another picture of it in my 20 years mailling.


I guess that's why it's been in the dark... Smile
Thanks for bringing this into the light.

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Posted on Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:46 pm
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djgm wrote:
i've found micro and macro often have slight AR discrepancies not sure why but does happen.


mithrilweaver wrote:
i've noticed these kinds of ar discrepencies too.


I've noticed it too.


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Posted on Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:58 am
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Chainmailbasket_com wrote:
djgm wrote:
i've found micro and macro often have slight AR discrepancies not sure why but does happen.


mithrilweaver wrote:
i've noticed these kinds of ar discrepencies too.


I've noticed it too.


I imagine it's actually to do with "roundness" of the drawn wire... It's not perfectly round, rather, hundreds of facets... Micro wire, less facets, less "round" seeming... Thus the AR math doesn't quite work.



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Posted on Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:36 am
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it can happen if the wd is not measured. some people calculate from the stated wd rather than from the actual wd.



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