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Posted on Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:11 pm
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Finances have been pretty boring.

In the last 12 months we have:
+ $15 - donation from Dana Pasternack

No expenses

Balance of about $1600


Can we please spend some money on something?

At present we have no need for donations as we never spend any money.

If nothing else if we set up prizes/scholarships/whatever TRL will sell MAIL materials at cost with proof of cost to the BOD and no public mention required. If we make it then cost is material cost only.



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Posted on Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:14 pm
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TheRingLord wrote:
Can we please spend some money on something?

At present we have no need for donations as we never spend any money.

If nothing else if we set up prizes/scholarships/whatever TRL will sell MAIL materials at cost with proof of cost to the BOD and no public mention required. If we make it then cost is material cost only.


I would like to suggest a few things, actually.

Once MAIL 3.0 is complete, and the code base is no longer a nightmare... I would like to look into switching web hosts. Our present host is really starting to get to me... We could likely find something comparable, or slightly more money that offers more/unlimited storage (and the bandwidth to back it up) with better reliability.

Re: Prizes/Scholarships/etc... I'd love to see prizes exist in some form.. The Gallery Contest is a prime location for this... It would encourage a lot more interest... I would (personally) prefer something more long-lived than supplies for contest winners... I have often pondered an official "shirt" or some such from our CafePress... Though tools or mandrels would also be possible.

If we were to offer prizes for the gallery contest, I would like to see previous contest winners offered something as well, to prevent sore feelings.

That aside, thanks for the report Jon Very Happy



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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:29 am
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Kim asked for some numbers for yearly donations...

Well the data set is not consistent. While I can crunch the numbers I can tell you the numbers don't mean much and here is why.

In a publicly funded environment you normally don't get more money if you don't spend the money you have. If Mailleartisans needs money to survive then donors will appear to meet the need. this is not a guess - I personally give my word that they money will be their for mission critical expenses.

We have $1600 in the bank - donations are at a standstill and likely will be until we spend some money.

I suggest we come up with a plan to spend it. I think the contests are as good a way as any to spend spend money. We can invest in a 10 year domain registration. Pay some server bills.



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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:42 am
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Jon is right. I have donated the last couple of years, but if we don't spend the money on something, we don't get anymore donations. Is Blaise being covered for the yearly hosting bill? He should be! I have no idea what to spend the money on. I'm not fond of making the contests for cash or equivalent prizes. I don't know what else to spend the money on. Any suggestions? I know chao has suggested a scholarship... but I don't know how that would work.


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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:03 am
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So... we have money we don't know what to do with it, and we have to spend it in order to get money we wouldn't know what to do with it?

I suggest to use MAIL funds to make a donation to MAIL.

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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:12 pm
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thank you jon,

i was hoping to get an idea of what we can afford for yearly hosting costs. i don't know that i'm ready to start giving things away in the form of prizes.. people had a low response to this when we polled the community before.

eventually we will switch hosts. when we do make that switch, it would be nice if lotos already had approval to spend up to a certain amount when he goes looking at hosts. to hear the story, we are near our bandwidth cap. it would seem, when we switch servers, the site will need a higher tier of service to continue to grow.

ultimately, MAIL expenditure increases should be going through a BOD approval process. i am attempting to lay the groundwork for that.

and.. if blaise isn't getting reimbursed for hosting costs.. we should vote and cut the man a second check! we evened things up a couple years ago, but haven't really kept up with this that i know of.

i really like the 10 year domain registration idea.


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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:47 pm
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I worry about setting up anything that incurs "running costs". It is good to be in the black but anything non-essential that chews away at that could become an issue. What we're going for here is longevity.

The site is a resource. Anything that helps further the accessibility of that resource and helps "future proof" it should be considered.

Firstly I would suggest listening closely to our resident web-wizard. a more secure system (with better back up facilities) is an investment in the future.

After that my eye is drawn to the tag line at the top of the page:

"M.A.I.L. (Maille Artisans International League) is an international community of artisans and volunteers dedicated to the advancement of the chainmaille artform. We aim to encourage the sharing and spreading of information, archiving as many techniques and weaves as possible"

So, spreading, sharing and archiving. How best to do that eh? Prizes? Well it does occur to me that we have something of a limited sharing capability here. I.E. you have to have some electrical power, have a net connection and the server has to be up. We take these 3 things for granted of course.

An archive is nothing without accessibility, imagine a chainmaille resource accessible in a reenactors field, or viewable by candle light and nothing else? Might I suggest a chainmaille bible, a binder that has a basic getting started section then optional supplements on different weaves.

So if something catastrophic ever happens there are many copies of the best information on the site floating around the world. Also if better (or more complete) information is found, then entire sections can be replaced without reprinting already accurate material.

Maybe even printable pdf that are page formatted to a one size fits all; a4, letter, legal, ledger etc. So you supply the information that people can then print. There would be a lot you COULD do but I think it maybe a worth while project.

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Posted on Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:55 pm
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Checking in; how’s the situation nowadays?


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Posted on Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:22 pm
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Karpeth wrote:
Checking in; how’s the situation nowadays?


*shrugs* Been coming off my Credit Card for years.
One of these days I’ll chase Jon to see if there’s any funds left for reimbursement.
Not that I’m concerned.



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Posted on Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:44 am
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not sure how many people know, but jon sold his stake in trl and has retired to other ventures outside of chainmaille. he may be willing to still reimburse you, but i just thought you should all know. you might want to check in with him and see where he's at with being on the board here.



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Posted on Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:56 pm
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mithrilweaver wrote:
not sure how many people know, but jon sold his stake in trl and has retired to other ventures outside of chainmaille. he may be willing to still reimburse you, but i just thought you should all know. you might want to check in with him and see where he's at with being on the board here.


MAILs finances exists separately to TRL.



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Posted on Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:24 pm
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Would hosting assets in the 5MB-20MB range (.glb 3D models) radically change the financing picture?

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Posted on Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:47 pm
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EricN wrote:
Would hosting assets in the 5MB-20MB range (.glb 3D models) radically change the financing picture?


The chief cost around here is Bandwidth, hosting is a non-issue. It’s the sheer volume of user interaction we receive that’s an issue.
Part of why moving hosts is in my future game plan, our current hosts Bandwidth charges are AWFUL...

Happy to discuss, as I see some of your work is quite intriguing.



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Posted on Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:12 pm
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Daemon_Lotos wrote:
EricN wrote:
Would hosting assets in the 5MB-20MB range (.glb 3D models) radically change the financing picture?


The chief cost around here is Bandwidth, hosting is a non-issue. It’s the sheer volume of user interaction we receive that’s an issue.
Part of why moving hosts is in my future game plan, our current hosts Bandwidth charges are AWFUL...

Happy to discuss, as I see some of your work is quite intriguing.


It seems our host has Many problems.

Would amazon be cheaper? Seems like many are Moving to AWS...


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Posted on Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:01 am
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Daemon_Lotos wrote:

The chief cost around here is Bandwidth, hosting is a non-issue. It’s the sheer volume of user interaction we receive that’s an issue.
Part of why moving hosts is in my future game plan, our current hosts Bandwidth charges are AWFUL...

Happy to discuss, as I see some of your work is quite intriguing.


How much in additional bandwidth costs would adding 1MB to each weave pageview cause? I'm ballparking 1MB average assuming compression and/or on-demand loading of the .glb if the viewer is interacted with. I don't really have a feel for the order-of-magnitude here.

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