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Posted on Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:04 pm
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I Know there is a weave called byzantine ladder, and I have seen it before in our library, but can't find it, is it possible it is set, to not visible or not to be viewed ( I know we have been told this has happened before).

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Posted on Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:12 pm
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Possibly... *shrugs*

I'll go database diving later in the day...



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Posted on Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:26 pm
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Thanks , no rush , I am sure there are more pressing matters

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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:33 am
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oneringshortofafullcoil wrote:
Thanks , no rush , I am sure there are more pressing matters


*puts down his Xbox controller*
Okay, now the more pressing matters are out of the way Wink

...

A database search turns up lots of 'ladders' but no Byz Ladder
I also have lots of 'Byz' things... Byzantine, Byzee stuff, a few Byz's... But still no Byz Ladder...

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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:10 am
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http://www.mailleartisans.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=985&sid=2133143c24707c78b3f2f5bb0577db49 sounds like it did exist

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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:54 am
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Actually, I checked this out about a year and a half ago, and a couple times since..

A lot of people seem to know what it is, but, I don't think anyone's happened to have submitted it into the library. I've never been able to find it, and I've never seen it linked.

The usual design is what people would think of as a chain weave, expanding in 1 direction, two byz units wide. That would be if there were vertical connector rings only between strands. However, that's still really just a thinly tailored sheet weave, expanding in 2 dimensions, just by choice staying at only two rows tall.

A popular offshoot, maybe more popular than the above, is where there are horizontal connector rings as well. And this too can be a sheet.

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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:53 am
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Well, Mical *claims* to have submitted it... That gives me another point to check... Two ticks.



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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:55 am
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I suspect This was the submission in question...

If it had been renamed, the old name wouldn't show up anywhere... And since he claimed to submit it... And we don't 'erase' submissions, just turn them off...

Logically...



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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:58 am
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Also, that thread mentions a Gallery Submission by Tarliman...

The only thing he ever submitted that looks close is:

Description:
Byz bar, 3/16" ID, high polish black steel and copper with bronze connectors, all 18g.

Which is simply:
http://www.mailleartisans.org/weaves/subcat.cgi?key=4964



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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:23 am
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Half of that is what I know as Byz ladder -- units of Byz (2 cages worth) strung between chains. As I recall, Byz ladder was popularized when Emerald Dragon won a contest over at TRL with a sterling silver and malachite bracelet. I couldn't find ED's original design, but I did find one made by Spider at http://www.silverweaver.com/chainmail/bracelets/ladder.shtml.


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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:55 am
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Zlosk - Yeah, I concur...


[Steelweaver's version]


[My version, staggered end rings 'cause that's what fit]


[Phong's version, with triple connectors on each "step"]

...

All of them independently created, unknown to each other at the time. I think of the 3, Phong had it first, 5 years ago.

They both called it "Byz Bar", which also doesn't exist, but, I've seen it plenty of other places referred to as "Byz Ladder".

Nothing really much creative about it. It's byz, bolted together. I bet it was created a couple days after someone first created byz.

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Posted on Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:01 am
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that is the one I am looking for ( the last one ) I guess it is only a varian t but I couyld swear I have seen it in the library, pewrhaps it was in gallery thread in the forum, but my searches there turned up zip , thanks all, for helping reassure my sanity , in this matter at least. Smile

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Posted on Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:53 am
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Well, Mical *claims* to have submitted it... That gives me another point to check... Two ticks.


That was back in '03...old stuff.

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I suspect This was the submission in question...


That was it. Staggered Byzantine Sheet.

I need to do some updating...

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Posted on Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:28 pm
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Onering, is this what you're looking for? http://www.mailleartisans.org/weaves/pics/4964byzantine_sheet.jpg

All this is an expanded version of what is usually called Byzantine Ladder.



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