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half persian ?
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Posted on Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:37 pm
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Today have have watched severel youtube and the weaves here to try
half persian, 3i1 and 4i1 with no luck at all.

I used 19g and 6.4 for the try's.

I just don't get it, can't get startet,
the rings just fly away when I try.

Mad Mad Mad I did get a headache

What to do ?



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Posted on Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:52 pm
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It's easier when using the recommanded ARs. When you drop your workpiece a few rings in try to flip rings about till it matches the tutorial. If you can't match it just start over. To keep rings in place you can use tape, steel wire or attach a clasp.



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Posted on Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:13 pm
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I'll give it some more try's...pyh, hard work, and the funny things is
I made a bracelet in that pattern 2 years ago, and now I can't Rolling Eyes



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can't do it
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Posted on Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:00 pm
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I give up for today, it will not get right. Embaressed



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Posted on Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:38 pm || Last edited by Slagr on Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:48 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Sometimes when I'm having trouble starting a weave I'll build off of an existing patch of either the same weave or a different weave with a similar edge. For half Persian 3-1 or 4-1, try making a band of European 4-1 and then making Persian connections on the outer edge. Then you can remove the European rings. Eventually you will get the hang of HP3 so you can start it without the E4-1. HP4 is similar but I'd recommend mastering HP3 first.

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Posted on Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:45 pm
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I use a piece of clear scotch tape to hold the rings together until the weave stabilizes. I start with the first 3 or four rings and then cover half of the weave with the tape and then I can build from there and not lose everything if I drop it. Then, once the weave is stable I can peel off the tape.

I use this method mostly with the half Persian 3 in 1 and 4 in 1 weaves.

hope this helps.

-ERK


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Posted on Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:30 am
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If you can manage to weave Full Persian 6 in 1, then you could make a long enough sample of that and remove all the rings from two adjacent faces and subsequently end up with Half Persian 3 in 1.

The suggestions of building off European 4 in 1, or using tape to hold everything in place are good too. An extension of these methods is to build off a piece of wire/yarn/jig as demonstrated in these articles:

[article=Half Persian 3 in 1 (On a Wire)] (http://www.mailleartisans.org/articles/articledisplay.php?key=407)
Half Persian 4 in 1 (On a Wire)
Half Persian 4 in 1 the Easiest Way (Yarn as a Guide)
Half Persian 4 in 1 Starting Jig


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new try
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Posted on Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:30 am
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I am grateful for all your great suggestions, I will prove them one by one ,so we'll see when it succeeded. Needlenose Pliers Needlenose Pliers Needlenose Pliers



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Posted on Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:01 pm
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Don't get discouraged. It took me forever to get the sheet HP weaves down. Just keep at it--and remember, if you fail, that means you're trying something new. Go easy on yourself; you're stretching yourself, and this is part of the process!

I've never done any of the tricks to start HP; I just start it. The trick for me is to understand how the links should lie, so when I inevitably drop it I can put them in the right place. Once you get how the links should lie, you can generally get back to where you need to be if you drop it.

Plus, I worked in fairly big wire--armor stuff, not jewelry stuff, 17 gauge aluminum fencing wire (dirty, yes, but cheap and you don't have to care if you waste a few feet of it). The bigger wire makes things easier to visualize, and (for me anyway) to hold.

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I did it ?
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Posted on Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:54 pm
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hours work, but now I think I have it for now...

3 i 1, right, correct ?

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Posted on Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:19 pm
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Huzzah! Very Happy

Looks like it to me. I like how lacey it looks, but if you use thicker wire with the same ID, you get a different look.

That's what makes chainmaille so much fun is the adaptability of the weaves.

What method did you use to get it started?


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flamingo start.
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Posted on Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:21 pm
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hi.

I used one I found on youtube and combined it with a "pin it to flamingo",
it was really tricky for me, that is not my fav to start on Smile



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Posted on Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:16 pm
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Looks fantastic!

My method for adding links is to close half of them, and open the other half. I put a closed one on an open one, and add it to the weave that way. For the next link in the image you have, the next open link would go through the "eye" of the bottom row on the right. It's reasonably quick, and really helps (me at least) visualize how the rings interact.

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good video to learn half persian 3 i 1, from
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Posted on Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:13 pm
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here is the one who helped me best, combined with pinning on flamingo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWVIAgfdO7Q



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