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Posted on Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:59 am
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So I was browsing chainmail purses on ebay tonight and I found this little number: http://cgi.ebay.com/1-195-GIANNI-VERSACE-RED-LEATHER-CHAINMAIL-BAG-/140512526890?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item20b733022a

Now call me crazy, but something screams FAKE to me. Especially when looking at the closeup. If it's not fake, I wanna have Mr. Versace pay me to do his mail for him because the closures certainly leave something to be desired....

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Posted on Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:55 am
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Yikes, those closures are rather bad. But aye, does scream fake.

And over a thousand dollars? Who buys this stuff? Yeesh.


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Posted on Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:51 pm
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Yowza those are some poor closures... Maybe if it were actually quality work I'd say it were real... but that... not a chance.

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Posted on Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:26 pm
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That was what I was thinking. The rest of the bag seems convincing, it's just that the mail seems SO poor. If it is a real bag, they need to contract someone far better at mailling than they have.

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Posted on Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:46 pm
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Anybody thought avout notifying versace.it about that piece (and especially this discussion thread)? Might result in...

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Posted on Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:53 pm
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I was actually thinking about it. I've been poking around, trying to find out what is authentic and what isn't. I found this: http://www.elle.com/Fashion/Trend-Reports/Trend-Report-Chain-Mail/(imageIndex)/4/(play)/false (you'll have to copy/paste as the link isn't working properly) which is apparently authentic - at least according to Elle Laughing - but I don't see any really good closeup pictures of it to see how the mail is constructed. I did, however, report the other bag to ebay as a possible counterfeit.

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Posted on Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:28 pm
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It looks like a cheap knock-off of this:
http://runwaypicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Versus-Spring-2010-bags-1.jpg


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Posted on Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:32 pm
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Yeah, that's basically the same bag that I tried to post the link for but red...and perhaps bigger. Smile

ETA: I wish we could see the mail section clearer in that picture to see how the real thing is constructed.

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Posted on Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:44 pm
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I really hope that this is fake.... alone to make such a close-up picture of something so poorly made is just sad...

is it just me or are two rings made out of one piece of wire? Anyone knows a reason for that? o.O made me just curious.

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Posted on Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:00 pm
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Kleriker wrote:

is it just me or are two rings made out of one piece of wire? Anyone knows a reason for that? o.O made me just curious.


You are right! all the ones that incline to the left of the image are double rings it looks like and solid ones at that. The ones that incline to the right are the ones that are poorly closed.

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Posted on Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:10 pm
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Might I add in this?
http://www.jewelssalon.com/other/versace%E2%80%99s-leather-chain-mail-cuff
I don't even know how that can be called chainmaille...


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Posted on Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:16 pm
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Some strange variant of a Japanese weave or something?

I highly doubt it though.


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Posted on Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:06 pm
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bamboozled89 wrote:
I don't even know how that can be called chainmaille...
BladeMaster-Raven wrote:
Some strange variant of a Japanese weave or something? I highly doubt it though.

Well that depends on the definition of maille - if the only requirement is, that independent links have to be meshed/chained, irrespective of their shape, that may be the case here as well - if there are further restrictions, it may fall out of the definition range. But that piece surely is outside the definition of 'classical' chainmaille.

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A weak weave will have the need to replace weak links.
A strong weave will survive even with weak links included.
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Posted on Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:11 pm
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ZiLi wrote:
Well that depends on the definition of maille - if the only requirement is, that independent links have to be meshed/chained, irrespective of their shape, that may be the case here as well - if there are further restrictions, it may fall out of the definition range. But that piece surely is outside the definition of 'classical' chainmaille.-ZiLi-


Hmm, aye, good point. It could be if that's the definition to go by. But it does rather look like some sort of scale rather than actual chain. But I wouldn't really know, hehe.


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Posted on Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:25 pm
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Oh, typical scale maille is well inside the definition range (for most maillers), as scales may have an irregular shape, but ARE usually woven in a standard E4-1 pattern, quasi substituting (and principally replaceable by) regular links. But that cuff's sheet metal links are NOT easily substitutable by single (even massively distorted) rings but need to have an irregular shape to be weavable in that manner at all. They MAY be replaced by a J4in1 fivelet, without doubt - signifying that the piece CAN be called maille - but not by a single ring.

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Human societies are like chain mail.
A single link will be worth nothing.
A chain is of use, but will break at the weakest link.
A weak weave will have the need to replace weak links.
A strong weave will survive even with weak links included.
-'me

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