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Posted on Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:46 am
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So while I was surfing around ebay today, I look into the antiquities section. I found this example of full persian 6 in 1.

Or at least I am 90% sure it is. I think that it is a very, very tight AR in order to hold that curve. Or there is a wire inside the fp.

Just a cool find.


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Posted on Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:52 am
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So my hyperlinking wasn't working the right way, lets try this again. Look here

Edit: Sorry but it does want to link to that page for some reason, just copy past the address into your browser bar
Edit 2: I fix the link, don't know what wasn't working but it is now.


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Posted on Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:05 am
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hard to tell if its rings, or a cast piece, but as far as a tight AR, fp will naturally incline to being straight, the tighter the AR, but if you slodered the links and made it just loose enough to fit around a bracelet mandrel then lightly hammered into a more or less locked position, but I would wager this is cast . if you look closely the pattern is actually FP grizzly though.

just bought a nice handy bernzomatic mini torch maybe I will try this over the course of the week Very Happy thanks for the Idea

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Posted on Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:29 am
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I think it is probably some version of foxtail rather than maille.

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Posted on Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:59 am
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I'm thinking it's woven, which is common in jewelry from central asia. And there's not a ring closure to be found. And I woudn't be surprised if there is a heavy stabilizing wire inside, inserted after the weaving of the tube was complete.


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Posted on Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:35 am
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Yes it is woven. It's along the lines of foxtail which can be made with wire or rubber rings and similar to Viking Knit chains.
Be warned Tibetan Silver is nothing of the kind, it's cheap rubbish 'monkey metal' as we call it here.


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Posted on Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:42 pm
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Yeah I wasn't planning on buying it I just found it interesting that it was fp 6in 1. I think that it is similar to foxtail or viking knit now that you say that.


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Posted on Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:52 pm
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No, not woven rings; it's lengths of wire woven like a braid, only more complex.


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Posted on Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:15 am
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I most be really complex, because I have tied a couple Turks head knots and those are also just braids, but I thought they were fairly complex.

The reason that I though it was rings was because of the nice curve each "ring" has. It must take a lot of practice and time to make each pass through the weave to look like that.


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Posted on Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:05 am
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Talia wrote:
No, not woven rings; it's lengths of wire woven like a braid, only more complex.


Yes in this case you're right but you can produce a very similar looking weave with rings of wire (thin flexible wire) and/or rubber rings called foxtail.


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Posted on Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:35 am
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Legba3 wrote:
Talia wrote:
No, not woven rings; it's lengths of wire woven like a braid, only more complex.


Yes in this case you're right but you can produce a very similar looking weave with rings of wire (thin flexible wire) and/or rubber rings called foxtail.

Very Happy Sorry- I thought we were still on the fp6in1. Wasn't trying to be argumentative.

That reminds me of something very funny my husband said last night though...
I'd made him a HP4in1. And every so often, I'll mention it, like, "Honey, you sould wear your Half Persian Four-in-One." Turns out, he's thought for some time now that his bracelet was a 'Half Persian Foreign One.' Laughing I wonder what he thought the other half was! Laughing


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Posted on Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:38 am
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Talia wrote:

That reminds me of something very funny my husband said last night though...
I'd made him a HP4in1. And every so often, I'll mention it, like, "Honey, you sould wear your Half Persian Four-in-One." Turns out, he's thought for some time now that his bracelet was a 'Half Persian Foreign One.' Laughing I wonder what he thought the other half was! Laughing


Laughing Oh that's classic! Laughing


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Posted on Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:36 am
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I sat and looked closely at this pic for a while. I think I see partially how it's done. Now I want to try it to see if I can work it out in it's entirety Sad

*sigh* So much to try, so little time.

And if I am correct in my perceptions, it uses the same idea as the woven wire pieces people have been doing recently, but round instead of flat. Make sense?


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Posted on Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:42 am
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It seems to be a basic bi directional (they cross) loop in loop chain. There are a couple really good books out on the subject of the chains though they are pricy, they are great to have if you can get them. the loops are bassically bent into the shape of the line on a baseball or tennis ball and hooked together one through the next.

Quick edit on this... http://www.mailleartisans.org/articles/articledisplay.cgi?key=8975 here you go those who wanted try this, this is a little bit more difficult of a chain but shows the basic concept. the article shows a bi directional as well only using thinner links and passing them through more than just the one immediate past link. These were one of the first things I learned when I started going to a jewelery class and are great fun, they do take time to put together,...but i think you all have the patience to do some tedious tasks...No?


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Posted on Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:59 am
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It seems to be, but it's not. And yes, what you linked is what often gets called Foxtail, and has been mentioned already:

Legba3 wrote:
Talia wrote:
No, not woven rings; it's lengths of wire woven like a braid, only more complex.


Yes in this case you're right but you can produce a very similar looking weave with rings of wire (thin flexible wire) and/or rubber rings called foxtail.



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