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bamboozled89

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 Posted on Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:17 am Link to Post: Now then, who doesn't do a little study into advanced mathmatics as a hobby? I still prefer theory over the actual equations...Maille Code V1.0 T?.? R?.? Ffp6.1hp4.1 MFe.g Wg Ce G4.8/.5 I8.2/1.4 Pj Djcad S07 CCi If you dig it, do it. If you really dig it, do it twice.-Jim Croce "Wherever he is, I hope he rolls good stats on his next incarnation."-Rich Berlew on Gary Gygax(so just how many of us read OotS?)
ChaosSeraphim

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 Posted on Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:20 am Link to Post: to be honest, i don't really like math. I just view it as a tool. I like making maille, so i will use it as a tool. but the jap6-1 is giving me problems...Chaos Est Vita Scurvy free since '85 It's always night, sometimes it's just brighter than others Maille Code V2.0 T5.9 R5.1 Eo.f Feur MAg/Ti Wci\$ Cbw\$ G0.3-14 I1-75 N29.26 Pa/j Dacdjstw Xg16p5t2w1 S07 Hi
ChaosSeraphim

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 Posted on Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:39 am || Last edited by ChaosSeraphim on Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:06 am; edited 1 time in total Link to Post: This is a screwed-up formula for Jap 6-1 any comments are welcome... T= total rings F=total flat rings C=total connection rings H=number of flat rings per primary(longer) horizontal row V=vertical number of primary horizontal rows c=horizontal connection rings d=diagonal connection rings please stay with me here. T={F+C} C={c+d} F={(VH)+((V-1)(H-1))} c={((H-1)V)+((H-2)(V-1))} d={4((H-1)(V-1))} red are flat rings, grey are horizontal connectors, green are diagonal connectors. that is IT for tonight! no more!!!! tommorrow....Chaos Est Vita Scurvy free since '85 It's always night, sometimes it's just brighter than others Maille Code V2.0 T5.9 R5.1 Eo.f Feur MAg/Ti Wci\$ Cbw\$ G0.3-14 I1-75 N29.26 Pa/j Dacdjstw Xg16p5t2w1 S07 Hi
bamboozled89

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 Posted on Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:39 am Link to Post: No wut I jus' notised? I hav past yur post count!Maille Code V1.0 T?.? R?.? Ffp6.1hp4.1 MFe.g Wg Ce G4.8/.5 I8.2/1.4 Pj Djcad S07 CCi If you dig it, do it. If you really dig it, do it twice.-Jim Croce "Wherever he is, I hope he rolls good stats on his next incarnation."-Rich Berlew on Gary Gygax(so just how many of us read OotS?)
ChaosSeraphim

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 Posted on Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:25 pm Link to Post: if you keep it up you will out-post Blaise in less than a year on MAIL!Chaos Est Vita Scurvy free since '85 It's always night, sometimes it's just brighter than others Maille Code V2.0 T5.9 R5.1 Eo.f Feur MAg/Ti Wci\$ Cbw\$ G0.3-14 I1-75 N29.26 Pa/j Dacdjstw Xg16p5t2w1 S07 Hi
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 Posted on Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:22 pm Link to Post: So here are the derivatives from Chaos's formula for Jap6-1: Total rings: T=8HV-6H-8V+7 Flat rings: F=2HV-H-V+1 Connector rings: C=6HV-5H-7V+6 Hope this helps someone (and my math has gone the right way ) Please correct me if something is wrong...Weaving a thread 'round your heart and your soul Deceiving your eyes and delaying your goal --Iron Maiden-- Scorpion
Zjef

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 Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:40 pm Link to Post: Does anyone know is there's a formula for the ring count of Dragonscale? Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae. [Of all these the Belgians are the bravest/strongest.] - Gaius Iulius Caesar, De Bello Gallico I 3
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 Posted on Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:51 am Link to Post: go to the page before this. i already asked him and he made it.
ElementalDragon

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 Posted on Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:42 am Link to Post: *going cross eyed from the funky letters* Am I missing something, or is this more complicated than it needs to be? Ring counts for any Euro sheet is X*Y where X is the number of columns and Y is the number of rings in a column. (((((((((((((((((((((((((( ^ )))))))))))))))))))))))))) | (((((((((((((((((((((((((( X )))))))))))))))))))))))))) | (((((((((((((((((((((((((( v For a FP6, 8, 10, 12 etc. chain, 4X where X is the number of cells. HP3, 4, 5, 6, etc. chain 2X where X is the number of cells. Dragonscale you have two types of rows that alternate, large/small and small/large. For an even number of rows, both large and small rings would be (.5R*C) where R is the number of rows and C is the number of columns. For an odd number, you would add .5C rounded up to whatever size starts the odd row and .5C rounded down to the other. Rounding not necessary if you have an even number of columns. Now, the Japanese weaves could present some interesting formulas which I'm not going to tinker with tonight. Now, if I'm mistaken in what I've said above, let me know where my mind slipped a cog. It is getting late for me, after all. Comprehensive Diameter Database: Web Page | Online Spreadsheet | About the database "When you have bigger wire, you make bigger maille. It's neat like that." -Cynake, January 15, 2009
Zjef

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Posted on Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:16 pm
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 ChaosSeraphim wrote: OK here goes This defines between the "primary"(external chains) and the "Secondary"(internal chains) Primary being the longer of the two and the one you start weaving first. Key: P= Primary large rings p= Primary small rings S= Secondary large rings s= Secondary small rings W=Ring count of "P" rings on horizontal axis H= Ring count of "P" rings on vertical axis LT=Full count of large rings ST= Full count of small rings T= Total ring count T={LT+ST} LT={(WH)+((W-1)+(H-1))} ST={((W-1)+(H-1))+((W-2)+(H-2))} or for just a fast count without distinction between ring sizes: T={((WH)+2((W-1)+(H-1))+((W-2)+(H-2))} If this seems a bit confusing, it is. If you need a formula for closed sheets of DS just DECREASE the SUBTRACTIONS in the formulae by one. That will give you an accurate count. keep in mind that this still only works with sheets and can't handle any non-rectangular shapes. keep them coming and I might actually have enough for an article.

I tried this formula and the result is waaaaaaaaaaay too low. Maybe I'm counting wrong. Could you post a picture of this one (like you did for the J 6-1)?

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