coif as a hood how is it done?
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coif as a hood how is it done?
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Posted on Sat Apr 26, 2003 8:26 pm
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ok so I made a coif, two in fact, but now a guy wants to be able to pull it down like a hood as seen in many movies and such. I don't know quite how to do it, unless I just make the hood huge so its easy to flop over ones head. any sugestions?


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Posted on Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:23 pm
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archer,

You could just make it in the usual way but, instead of making the front of the neck as a solid sheet have it tie shut with leather thread. That way, when you want to pull it back just untie it and the face hole will expand.


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Posted on Mon Apr 28, 2003 1:17 am
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I agree with AMA Cobra thats about the best way that i can think of there Archer, but you could also use a laching of some kind in place of leather (if you dont have accsess to leather that is or it cheaper.)

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Posted on Mon Apr 28, 2003 5:15 am
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You could also try using rubber o rings for a portion of the neck...


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Posted on Mon Apr 28, 2003 5:28 am
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Why not just build a so-called "Bishop's Mantle"?

It's just a standard coif with mantle, only the face opening doesn't close in at the chin, it just continues straight down to the collar.

You pull it on like a normal coif, but you can slide the "hood" off the back of your head while it's on...


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I am still not sure if this is what I am supposed to do. he has seen it in some movies, I will be reviewing some movies tomorrow to see if I can figure it out. one I know of was a poor excues in Brave heart its a knitted coif, not metal at all, but I will go through and see if I can see any others that are real. thanks for the ideas though and keep them coming.


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Bishop's-mantles
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Posted on Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:45 am
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Blaise, a bishop's-mantle is entirely a large collar; it has no hood part.

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Posted on Mon Apr 28, 2003 4:59 pm
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Actually, K, as far as I know, what you are talking about is just a mantle, not a bishop's mantle.

Of course, when I tried to look up the term, all I could find was a lot of D&D references and discussion board posts. As near as I can tell, it's not in any way an authentic term, so I suppose the definition is pointless anyway! Rolling Eyes


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Well,
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Posted on Tue Apr 29, 2003 10:52 am
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In most movies, the "chainmail" is just painted cloth of some sort. Using cloth then, it's quite easy to make such a thing.

Therefore, I'm not quite sure if such a thing is at all authentic (you SCA types can probably correct me though).

The only way I've ever found to do it is make the face opening exceptionally large (which actually makes the coif look rather bad).


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Posted on Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:01 pm
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If you're thinking like a cloak hood, forget it. The front will never stick out farther than your forehead.

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Posted on Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:28 pm
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[quote="archer"]I am still not sure if this is what I am supposed to do. he has seen it in some movies, I will be reviewing some movies tomorrow to see if I can figure it out. one I know of was a poor excues in Brave heart its a knitted coif, not metal at all, but I will go through and see if I can see any others that are real. thanks for the ideas though and keep them coming.[/quote]

I know what you're talkin about, when I first saw the post I thought of some movie that had a guy 'putting down' his coif. I can't remember what movie it was either, but the secret is indeed in the chin. Get yourself a nice big mantle on the coif to counterbalance the weight of the hanging coif, and don't close the face down to the mantle. Also be sure to use an expanding ring system for the top, or it might not wear right, having no chin.


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Posted on Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:49 pm
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yes, I started with an expanding mantal and after haveing completed the top piece, now I have been adding an expanding row every other so that its more open on the sides, I will make the mantle much larger to make up for the open face ( large enough to fit ones mellon through) I will post a pic if it turns out, and post text if its a flop (pun)


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Posted on Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:35 pm
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i was just wondering as i was reading this;
wouldn't the wieght from the hood choke the person wearing it? Confused
or can you stop this from happening, and if so how?
thanks and good luck with your project
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Posted on Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:40 pm
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Like WoodyNaDobhar said, I think it would have to be counter weighted by a descently heavy mantle. Prolly have to make the mantle a bit front heavy.

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Posted on Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:41 pm
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tigerkitty,

If the mantle part of the coif is attached to whatever else you are wearing then the coif will not slip back. At least that is what I think. I could be wrong.


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Matt


'Tis true my form is something odd,
But blaming me is blaming God;
Could I create myself anew
I would not fail in pleasing you.
If I could reach from pole to pole
Or grasp the ocean with a span,
I would be measured by the soul;
The mind's the standard of the man.
- Joseph Carey Merrick, "The Elephant Man"

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