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Can anyone identify this weave?
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Posted on Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:12 am
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Hello all, I have been a long time lurker, who has decided to come out of the shadows so to speak. While working with some spare rings, I made this pattern, and need to know if it has already been submitted. Thanks

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Posted on Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:18 am
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Are those byzantine units on the sides? I think so but its hard to tell from the pic.


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Posted on Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:03 pm
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Sorry about the pic. Here it is again with labels added.

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Posted on Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:57 pm
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It's definatelty byzantine something. It has some japenese influence in it due to connecting the byzantine units IMO. I think its a new variant of byzantine but the "Weaves" board mod would probably know best.


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Posted on Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:01 pm
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It's somewhat like this (Gridlock Byzantine):

http://www.mailleartisans.org/weaves/pics/6533gridlockbyzantine.jpg


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Posted on Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:06 pm
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It was so simple, I would be suprised if it doesn't already exist.
It does have some byzantine influence, but mostly it's 2 in 2 chains

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Posted on Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:19 pm
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This is basically a sideways chain taken out of Bastardized Weave. I don't think it has a name by itself.

It has very little connection to Gridlock Byzantine, which is Byzantine in the same way a peanut is a nut. It looks like it is, but if you look closely you realize it's completely different. It's actually a Vipera Berus style edging on Gridlock, the same as Louhi but offset one unit (Louhi, Vipera Berus and Gridlock Byzantine were all submitted at about the same time by the same person).


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Posted on Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:40 pm
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It's not byzantine anything. It's just japanese. It's basically a strip torn out of J12-2, but not all of the vertical rings are doubled, just the horizontal ones. By the way, BlueLizard, I'm the weaves admin. Uber

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Posted on Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:55 pm
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Hmm. That is an interesting take on it. It is, in fact, a strip of Japanese 12-in-2 with some of the doubled rings singled. However, I still maintain that it ALSO has Byzantine properties. The side units are as much Byzantine units as the side units on Byzee Beez are. They just lack the extra rings on the outside to "split" the parallel horizontal rings.


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Posted on Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:10 pm
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Tesserex, I have been a long time lurker so you are well known. Wink I did see the Japanese elements here, however I was under the impression that Japanese weaves used two different ring sizes. Am I mistaken? Confused

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Posted on Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:12 pm || Last edited by Kabaalk on Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:21 pm; edited 1 time in total
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You're mistaken. Japanese weaves can use any number of sizes.
The name refers not to the sizes used, but to the ring placement, and how the rings connect to eachother.


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Posted on Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:18 pm
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Got it, I'm not sure where I picked that up. Must be the old mind going Laughing

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Posted on Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:23 am
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HeruFeanor wrote:
The side units are as much Byzantine units as the side units on Byzee Beez are. They just lack the extra rings on the outside to "split" the parallel horizontal rings.


Well, you're right, but thats hypothetical. IF those extra rings were there, horizontally, and split the side rings, it would form a byz unit. But that is only because that new ring would form eyes with the doubled side rings, and there would then be a TE with the vertical ring. Since it's not there, there is no TE, and hence no euro connection. Secondly, such a ring placement does not seem a logical continuance of this weave. The next rings you would likely put in the sides are more verticals to complete the J12-2 element.

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Posted on Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:47 am
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The next logical lateral expansion actually depends a lot on the ring sizes. If you had a ring size that could properly accomodate a Japanese 12-in-2, then yes, what you say is possibly true. However, in the ring size pictured, such an expansion is clearly not possible, and the next logical direction would be to extend the Byzantine chain.

And my earlier statement that it is a chain extracted from Bastardized Weave still holds.


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Posted on Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:39 pm
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Now that I'm thinking about it, wouldn't Byz be a hybrid weave, as it has both Euro and Jap connections?

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