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My persian article in progress
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Posted on Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:23 am
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Would you guys mind reading an article about the entire theory behind the persian family? It goes through a bunch of weaves and explores how the connections interact, as well as handedness and symmetry and such. The thing is that it's already the longest article I've ever seen. Right now, it's 8,153 bytes in notepad. And I'm probably around halfway... Not sure though.

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Posted on Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:07 am
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I wouldn't mind giving it a readthrough. I find the interrelationships between the persian and european families quite interesting.
Would make a better read than the relationship between the spring constant and Young's Modulus. Razz

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Posted on Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:45 pm
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Sure, sounds like an interesting read (to me, at least). Quizad's article on the relation of Euro to Persian was an awesome contribution, so any further exploration of Persian theory would be great! Very Happy

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Posted on Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:05 pm
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I would love to see it. This is, IMO, one of the most interesting topics in mailling theory.


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that would be a good article. should be very interesting.

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Would make a better read than the relationship between the spring constant and Young's Modulus. Razz


i accually just learned about Young's Modulus last night in my Metallergy class, i almost fell asleep. course it would help if my teacher wasn't mono toned or if he would stop trailling off a funny world.


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Posted on Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:12 pm
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I just submitted it. A grand total of 12,856 bytes. It uses ten unique pictures, repeating one. Quite a nice read, IMHO.

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Posted on Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:28 am
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I haven't read that far into the article, but right from the start there is one point I definitely disagree with:

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It is so far my most educated opinion that persian weaves can be defined as employing both "through the eye" and "around the eye" connections with each and every ring in the weave.


Look at a Persian 4-in-1 (half or full). This employs only TE connects.

What defines a Persian connection is that a ring goes through an overlap row twice, down and back up. Wether it goes TE or AE is beside the point.

Anyway, off to read the rest. Smile


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Alright, reading a bit further, I see that you have a somewhat different definition for AE then I'm used to. As I understand it, AE is the term used to refer to the hole in the overlap row that is between a pair of eyes. Essentially, when you go through just one ring, instead of two.

However, you use AE to refer to skipping over an eye. Now I see why you define persian weaves having both AE and TE connections on the same ring. However, I still think it's cleaner to define it by the number of times it passes through the overlap row.

The whole concept of overlap rows is, of course, intrinsic to any discussion of the theory of european and persian weaves, and I'm assuming you know what I mean by that. It seems you're also operating on the assumption that your readers are already familiar with overlap rows, and the basic concepts involved in them (such as eyes).


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Posted on Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:49 am
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I see your point. While both views seem to be accurate, the overlap rows definition is probably a little more definite and can be more widespread. A lot of times people will say "uses persian connections" and that doesn't really mean much by my definition.

On another note, this article was never really intended for beginners.

And on yet another, it was also not intended to only be submitted once Uber

edit: aha! on even closer inspection, your definition does not hold up! Look at sheet 4-1. We define this as persian, but it breaks your definition. No matter how you define the rows, in one of the two, it only passes through once, as a TE. My definition of AE requires what you would call a double pass through an overlap row. That double pass may or may not include one or two TEs.

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Posted on Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:42 am
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The persian 4-in-1 sheet is actually a hybrid weave, alternating between persian and european connection styles. Notice that each overlap row is connected persian 2-in-1 on one side, and euro 4-in-1 on the other side.

Of course, the persian 2-in-1 degrades into a basic 2-in-1 chain in most circumstances, but in this case the euro TE connections hold it together. However, when held together like this, the persian 2-in-1 fits my definition, because it goes through the overlap row twice, but it actually breaks yours, because it never goes TE.

So nya. Smile


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Posted on Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:55 am
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Just saying WOW to the article. Surprised

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Posted on Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:05 pm
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OK maybe my definition needs work, but that doesn't mean the material is for naught.

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Posted on Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:32 pm
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No, it's definitely not. You have a lot of interesting stuff in your article, besides just the definition of persian.


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Posted on Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:29 pm
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What's the name of the article?


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Posted on Sun Mar 13, 2005 12:14 am
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"understanding the persian family"

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