Weave Study January 2016 - Half Persian 3 Sheet 5 Crossover
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Weave Study January 2016 - Half Persian 3 Sheet 5 Crossover
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Posted on Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:25 pm || Last edited by TrenchCoatGuy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:15 am; edited 1 time in total
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Okay, some are eager to get the ball rolling on this revamp of the weave study.

For organization purposes, I'm starting the thread early to try and keep the discussions less... separated between threads.

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This month we will be/are/were studying: Half Persian 3 Sheet 5 Crossover
Tutorial: Half Persian 3 Sheet 5 Crossover Tutorial

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Posted on Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:43 am || Last edited by TrenchCoatGuy on Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:46 am; edited 1 time in total
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Even though it is a week early, I took some images of the sample I've made:

**EDIT : These are not the weave, but rather something close...**

1st one: Arranged as close to the weave image as possible.

2nd one: At a closer-to-table angle.

3rd: Comparing the two pieces - they were actually started with opposite-handedness (but are identical).


I'll be painting on my images in the future to show interesting characteristics such as...
The rings that aren't really stable (might be locked at smaller ARs).
How both axis are technically HP3in1.
There's plenty to do with related sheet weaves, as well.


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Posted on Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:48 am
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thats neat how the vertical and horizontal axis are both hp 3in1, i didnt notice til just now Smile

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Posted on Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:33 pm
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TCG, what AR did you use?


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Posted on Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:29 pm
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Karpeth wrote:
TCG, what AR did you use?

That sample is AR of 7.1 (0.047"x0.333" aluminum saw cut rings)


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Posted on Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:05 pm
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Oh sure. What's he do but pick on of those ones that I could never figure out. I must say though, maybe the pics of the weave at a looser sample will help out. I'll have to give it another stab and maybe get past the staring at the picture at different angles (before giving up) stage once I get back to my workshop.

Nice choice, TCG. Needlenose Pliers Needlenose Pliers


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Posted on Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:36 am
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the "crossover" series is specific to weaves that grab a row of rings deeper than just the last row weaved. i didn't realize that other weaves did this as well - like Crotalus until later in my chainmaille career. i thought i had invented it. i think they should have their own tag/connection type, but maybe that's my own bias.



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Posted on Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:24 am
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mithrilweaver wrote:
the "crossover" series is specific to weaves that grab a row of rings deeper than just the last row weaved. i didn't realize that other weaves did this as well - like Crotalus until later in my chainmaille career. i thought i had invented it. i think they should have their own tag/connection type, but maybe that's my own bias.


What would be the definition, and what use would such a tag have?


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I'd like to note that it appears something odd is afoot. The next AR I tested was AR of 6.66. Unfortunately, it becomes too rigid to continue...

I find it likely that I have not made this weave correctly.
(Staring at my image and the weave image... they are not the same).
*puts down his pliers for the night*

I'm expanding on the wrong axis. I also have a feeling that since I can expand on the "wrong" axis, this may be extendable into 3D.


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Posted on Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:53 am
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i'm not good at wording definitions. the tag would be as useful as any other tag. why does berus get a tag? because it has a 2 in 1 chain going through a weave. why does crossover get a tag? because it has overreaching rings in every row.

once you weave a few crossovers, you begin to see why they are different from other weaves. the cool thing is, there is lot of weaves left undiscovered that have this connection style. i've only exposed the tip of the iceberg.



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Posted on Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:00 am
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TrenchCoatGuy wrote:
I'd like to note that it appears something odd is afoot. The next AR I tested was AR of 6.66. Unfortunately, it becomes too rigid to continue...

I find it likely that I have not made this weave correctly.
(Staring at my image and the weave image... they are not the same).
*puts down his pliers for the night*

I'm expanding on the wrong axis. I also have a feeling that since I can expand on the "wrong" axis, this may be extendable into 3D.


i discoverd this weave by taking hp3s6, opening every ring in a row and having it grab a ring in the next row. after doing this to one side, i flipped the structure over and did the same on the other side. you have to start with 7 ar rings to be able to do this. after that, you can reconstruct what is happening from the beginning hp3 chain if you want.



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Posted on Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:11 am
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you may have discovered another variant of my original if they are not the same?



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Posted on Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:53 am
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I think you might just have the direction of the grain messed up TCG, they should be HP 3 in 1 on their side, so the green is going the same way

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Posted on Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:31 am
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They are definitely not the same.
Think of HP3-1 as a trapezoidal prism, in which each surface can be expanded (6 surfaces).
2 of them will expand the chain further.
2 of them will create the weave being studied.
2 of them will create the variant I've shown above.

That being said, here is it correctly woven:
Weave image top view

Weave image bottom view

Slightly different angle for the top view


The way that I constructed it is... best described in a tutorial... but here is some highlighting for those really interested in diving right in.

I start with HP3-1 chain (red line).
Be careful to note the arrangement of ring layering (in cyan+magenta).
I then add the green rings. They go through only 1 ring each.
I then seam the 2nd HP3-1 line together with the blue rings.
Again, be keen with the layering shown in cyan+magenta.
If you run into stability issues with how the rings are being layered, you are doing it wrong and should go back to the HP3-1 starting strand.

mithrilweaver wrote:
you may have discovered another variant of my original if they are not the same?

Definitely different, but not quite stable... at least for how the rings are layered (you can switch between 1 of 2 arrangements). I'm more interested in the possible 3D expansion.


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Posted on Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:30 am
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Tutorial in queue.
Will modify OP to include link when/if it gets accepted.

Then hopefully everyone can get started on the more in depth discussions. Coif Cool Smiley


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