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Posted on Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:47 pm
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well and the fact that he uses key rings makes doing anything but euro variants damn near impossible. Euro is also the best armor weave since it lies so thin. I'm just not a big fan of how prevalent it is.

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Posted on Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:20 pm
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I'd hold off on making assumptions about DrT's work work until you have seen it, watched him make it, AND tried to do it yourself. The pictures simply don't do it justice. The fact that you've only seen him do European and HP and its variants doesn't mean he hasn't. He also makes the most incredible jewelery I've ever seen, some of it with weaves I've never seen. And yeah... his wife is very creative, talented, and bakes heavenly desserts. Very Happy


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Posted on Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:36 pm
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I made no disparaging judgement. I think it's pretty clear I'm sitting on the fence, but if it makes yall feel better I'll get on board.

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Posted on Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:24 pm
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djgm wrote:
I made no disparaging judgement. I think it's pretty clear I'm sitting on the fence, but if it makes yall feel better I'll get on board.


GOOD!

And now you're on board, off to the galley with you... And make me a sammich!



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Posted on Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:15 am
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Don't bother with original Bladeturner unless it's part of a project to explore yoketops -- all of which work on the same principle anyway, varying mainly in the number of sides to their polygonal link-row trace to their shoulder section.

Now I think about it though, a Bladeturner shoulder section made even larger would make an okay bishop's-mantle, Landsknecht style armor -- though I have never heard of a genuine historical bishop's-mantle being assembled of joined-up trapezoids.

Improved Bladeturner would be to add more width to the rear trapezoid, to throw forward sleeve bias into a design that doesn't have any. To avoid the side-lifting problem when you raise your arm, have the mail of the body of the shirt go well up into the armpit, to get enough slack so you can readily raise your arm.

Yoke- and mantle-tops naturally present their links such that the sleeves will be closed-hang, which best suits short sleeves.


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Posted on Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:15 am
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Hopefully this isn't a stupid question, but what is Lord Charles' tailoring method that was mentioned on the previous page? A quick search hasn't turned anything.

As for shirts, I completed my first a few months ago. Sure enough though, the mailmaking itch has returned and I'm contemplating making a second.

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Posted on Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:53 am
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Vyrn wrote:
Hopefully this isn't a stupid question, but what is Lord Charles' tailoring method that was mentioned on the previous page? A quick search hasn't turned anything.

As for shirts, I completed my first a few months ago. Sure enough though, the mailmaking itch has returned and I'm contemplating making a second.

Hit the "quote" button on the upper right hand of the post you are referring to. I'm not sure which one it is?


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Posted on Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:59 am
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Zlosk wrote:
Shirt designs

1: Barrel & straps - ill-fitting. Brought it to a maille gathering, ended up tearing it apart, fixing errors in the sheets, and then was shown Lord Charles' (LC) tailoring method (which uses the natural expansion/contraction of hanging maille fabric for tailoring).

2: Intended to be based on Trevor Barker's information (which uses triangles of maille to allow tailoring of a more form-fitting shirt), but received a request from a friend's daughter whose school was doing a play about Joan of Arc for a shirt of armor. I got her measurements, assembled it fairly quickly using the LC method, which would also allow it to be quickly split and then rebuilt to my size.

3. Again, intended be based on Trevor Barker's info, though it may get sewn to fabric and designed as samurai armor.

4. Large scales - not quite sure how it's going to be tailored, though I plan to use triangle or trapezoids to connect the shoulders.

I expect to make more shirts after this. Of the Euro 4-1 styles, I still need to try mantle and bladeturner (and possibly Trevor Barker's, if #3 ends up a samurai). When those are complete, I'll have a shirt of each of the known tailoring styles. I'll decide what I like best and make my final (and hopefully best-fitting) E4-1 shirt.

Oh wait... you mean in Zlosk's post? I'm not familiar with anything Lord Charles did, but I would recommend
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/trevor.barker/farisles/guilds/armour/mail.htm over anything Lord Charles does. Just me though.


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Posted on Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:58 am
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yeah - I meant Zlosk's post, sorry about that.

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Posted on Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:51 am
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1 - My first shirt like thing was upper thigh length and sleeveless. It was 316 and 308 stainless, .0625" (1/16") 1/2" ID. It was before I had found any maille info online (being 1993 there probably wasn't much anyways), and before I found any other published directions... a guy at an SCA demo told me how to make the rings and I went home and learned euro 4 in 1 by looking at an antique maille purse. The maille-moths really liked that shirt-like-thing. I ended up giving it to a friend to use for his LARP costume.

2 - for the second shirt I used the same size stainless wire, but went down to 3/8" ID... that one was mid thigh length with sleeves to the elbows, and brass trim. I ended up trading it to a friend for a sword that he had made, but had to put a huge gusset in the front so it would fit over his very D&D dwarf-like belly.

3 - same stainless wire again, this time at 1/4" ID. This one came to just above the knee and had sleeves to the elbows, brass trim around the sleeves and a zig-zagging sort of brass inlay around the bottom. That one was taken apart to resize it for someone a lot larger than myself, but the deal didn't really work out and the shirt has been a pile of scraps for years (slowly shrinking as I've scrounged rings and patches from it from time to time). That one is now slated to be turned into a door mat for my stained glass studio. At some point while making this shirt I learned the "score & break" technique for cutting rings, so there's a huge panel that was in the back with pinchy cuts, and the rest is all pretty much flush cut. The difference in quality between those is pretty impressive.

4 - next was a short mantle top sleeveless byrnie made with a funky dark colored alloy of bronze. Again with the .0625" wire, and with the 1/4" ID. It has a couple rows of regular brass rings inlayed a row or two into the neckline, and a two or so inch wide zig zagging inlay around the hem. I don't use it for much, but have held onto it for some reason.

5ish - not exactly a shirt, but torso-ware none the less, a corset made with parts from a bicycle chain, mailled together mostly with ~1/8"ID .045" 316 stainless. My wife has claimed that piece.

6ish - a huge mantle, more of a poncho really. It was past elbow length and down to navel level in the front... so about the same number of rings (estimated by weight) as the bronze byrnie. Material was .0625 inconel-625, ID a bit under 5/16". I ended up taking over six inches of width from the edge to make it into a more reasonably sized Bishops Mantle.

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Posted on Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:58 pm
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djgm wrote:
I love drTs patterns too and the fact he does mostly key rings is impressive, but since it's all euro and hp variants he hardly takes the cake IMO.


Well, there is more than just Euro and HP variants:

E4-1 (barrel and straps) http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=3421
http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=6220
E4-1 (mantle style) http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=4190
E4-1 (isotropic) http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=6221
E6-1 with E6-1/E4-1 inlay http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=5977
I4-1 http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=3120
Dragonscale (solid) http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=2821
Dragonscale (diamonds) http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=4226
J6-2 http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/Dr_T_maille/Other%20shirts/J6_2_mail_front.jpg
HP3-1S6/HP3-S5 http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=3262
HP3-1S6/E4-1 http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=2571
Elfsheet http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=3100
Scalemaille http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=3299
Plumber's chain 2D (incomplete) http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=5976
Helm chain web http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/Dr_T_maille/Other%20shirts/helm_chain_web.jpg

The last picture also features the cake maker Smile

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Posted on Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:43 pm
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Dr. T wrote:

Elfsheet http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=3100

Helm chain web http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/Dr_T_maille/Other%20shirts/helm_chain_web.jpg


That helm chain shirt is awesome.
May I ask how you did the armpit seems on your elfsheet shirt?

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Posted on Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:32 am
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Dr. T wrote:
The last picture also features the cake maker Smile

Dr. T

And it was AWESOME! As is Olga! Very Happy


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Posted on Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:07 pm
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Chen wrote:
Dr. T wrote:

Elfsheet http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=3100

Helm chain web http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/Dr_T_maille/Other%20shirts/helm_chain_web.jpg


That helm chain shirt is awesome.
May I ask how you did the armpit seems on your elfsheet shirt?


Thank you, Chen,

I ended up using an E4-1 triangles for the armpits of the elfsheet shirt - here is the pic: http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/Dr_T_maille/elfsheet_armpit.jpg

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Posted on Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:15 am
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Dr. T wrote:


Thank you, Chen,

I ended up using an E4-1 triangles for the armpits of the elfsheet shirt - here is the pic: http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/Dr_T_maille/elfsheet_armpit.jpg

Dr. T


The transition between the elfsheet and e4-1 looks amazing!
I would have never thought of that. I've been planning on making an elfsheet vest as I couldn't think of a way to properly attach sleeves. Thanks for showing! Smile

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