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Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:32 pm
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Rognvald wrote:

Also, is the use of the phrases 0-dimensional, 1-dimensional, 2-dimensional accurate here? Not to be overly precise... but these all have 3 dimensions, although the point is made...


The dimensional aspect of those descriptions is in regards to the dimensional expansion of those forms. A unit weave does not expand, thus it is a 0-dimensional weave; chains and bands only expand in the length of the weaves, thus they are 1-dimensional weave forms; sheet, web, and radial expand in length and width and so are 2-dimensional weave forms, and, of course, 3D weaves expand in all directions (length, width, and depth/height).

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For a weave to be tagged 'band', would that necessarily mean that it could NOT be made as a 'chain'; in other words, would a 'band' be the smallest unit of that weave? The example pictured above makes me ask.


As ZiLi has said, 'band' is not an easy thing to completely answer. To some, 'bands' are simply wide chains, while to others, they are narrow strips of sheets. To me, they are a quasi-form that exists between sheet and chain. To wide to be seen as a chain, to narrow to be a sheet. Some, may be able to be made wider into sheets, but never thinner into chains.


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Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:55 am
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Good explanation of the usage of 'dimension', thank you. 'Dimensional expansion', got it!

And thanks also ZiLi and Narrina for the 'band' definition. I like the last part especially, that a 'band' can never be made thinner into a chain--- that answers that question.

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Posted on Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:20 pm
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The familial definitions seem a bit too general. I like the expansion terms, though.

I think limiting orbital and captive to being defined as non-structural is not accurate. I'm also not convinced that Rhino and Helm necessarily needed to be specially defined. Unless those are maybe structural definitions? Definitions of particular structures within a weave?

Alpha is a good idea. I would have used a different term than modification for a structural change, but I only came to that conclusion recently. Other than that, those two situations being defined is good thing, although, again, I think they are a bit general. Now define structural Smile

I'm not sure I see the difference between berus and mage the than one is a weave and one is in a weave.

Things like kinged and progression ought to start out with something like "A variant/modification in which...".


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Posted on Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:52 pm
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I wonder, besides european 4 in 1 and other weves like 2 in 1, wich other weave is easy for a beginner to learn?

I mean, i'll start by the simple, but, on the following... wich weave shall i do?

After i get used with the 4 in 1 european, can i jump to a japanese weave for example?

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Posted on Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:14 pm
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Donatti wrote:
After i get used with the 4 in 1 european, can i jump to a japanese weave for example?


Why not? Feel absolutely free to try what you think is manageable with given ring collection. There are no limits. For building a solid basis portfolio I'd propose to work through the 'Alpha' tagged weaves.

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thanks zili, i believe i'm gonna try to follow the more easy ones first, slow and ever!

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Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:37 pm
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thanks so much for this, been looking for the definitions for ages

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Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:17 pm
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razocaine_07 wrote:
thanks so much for this, been looking for the definitions for ages

Zili is right, try anything that catches your eye. But just for information's sake, there is also a "beginner" tag for weaves. That's also a good place to start.


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Posted on Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:36 am
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This thread is very helpful when looking at the Weaves Home Page. I didn't really know what about a quarter of the tags meant, and (of course) discovered this after I was done looking through the weaves listed!

Would it be good idea to put a link to this thread (or the contents as an article) on the Weaves Home Page? I'm sure I'm not the first to look at the tags and wonder what they mean, only to discover what they mean after browsing through it.


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Posted on Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:45 pm
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Ivanova there is an article in the articles section with the weave definitions. You might be able to to print it off and have it ready for you when you need it.


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I was thinking lately that there should be a tag for weaves which are isomorphic, in the sense that every ring in the weave has the same connections as every other ring. So weaves like E4-1, Hoodoo Hex Sheet, Moorish Rose, Half Persian 3 Sheet 6 in 1, odd JPLs, etc would be considered isomorphic whereas weaves like Elfsheet, Vipera Berus Sheet, Japanese 6 in 1, Byzantine, Alligator River etc would all be considered non-isomorphic. This would naturally exclude all weaves with more than one ring size as well.

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Posted on Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:40 am
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Slagr wrote:
I was thinking lately that there should be a tag for weaves which are isomorphic, in the sense that every ring in the weave has the same connections as every other ring. So weaves like E4-1, Hoodoo Hex Sheet, Moorish Rose, Half Persian 3 Sheet 6 in 1, odd JPLs, etc would be considered isomorphic whereas weaves like Elfsheet, Vipera Berus Sheet, Japanese 6 in 1, Byzantine, Alligator River etc would all be considered non-isomorphic.

Hmmm, interesting concept. Though I admit when I heard the word "isomorphic" I immediately thought of a weave that, if you turned it upside-down, would be the same on both sides. But I guess that's just being synonymous with "symmetrical". Except that, say, Half Persian 3 in 1 is symmetrical down the middle, but it isn't the same on both sides, while Half Persian 4 in 1 is symmetrical down the middle and is also the same on both sides.

Maybe I could understand what you're getting at better if you could explain why you would find such a tag useful.


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Slagr wrote:
I was thinking lately that there should be a tag for weaves which are isomorphic, in the sense that every ring in the weave has the same connections as every other ring. So weaves like E4-1, Hoodoo Hex Sheet, Moorish Rose, Half Persian 3 Sheet 6 in 1, odd JPLs, etc would be considered isomorphic whereas weaves like Elfsheet, Vipera Berus Sheet, Japanese 6 in 1, Byzantine, Alligator River etc would all be considered non-isomorphic.

Hmmm, interesting concept. Though I admit when I heard the word "isomorphic" I immediately thought of a weave that, if you turned it upside-down, would be the same on both sides. But I guess that's just being synonymous with "symmetrical". Except that, say, Half Persian 3 in 1 is symmetrical down the middle, but it isn't the same on both sides, while Half Persian 4 in 1 is symmetrical down the middle and is also the same on both sides.

Maybe I could understand what you're getting at better if you could explain why you would find such a tag useful.


HP3-1 is chiral whereas HP4-1 is achiral. That is arguably relevant to the tag I'm proposing because the criterion I had in mind goes something like this:

Pick any ring in the weave, then reorient the whole weave so that that ring is superimposed over any other ring in the weave, exactly matching its position and angle within the original space (plane for sheets, line for chains). If the reoriented version is identical to the original then the weave is isomorphic. Assume the weave is infinite.

I think it would be useful because isomorphic weaves have a unique aesthetic to them. I certainly prefer them to non-isomorphics in general.

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Posted on Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:37 am
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(goes off and looks up Chirality)
Hmmm, looking at that, it seems like achirality is what you are looking for. Or a superset of what you are looking for, since weaves like Japanese 6 in 1 are achiral if you consider them as a unit, but the individual rings are not equivalent to each other, since they have two sizes.


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kerravonsen wrote:
Hmmm, looking at that, it seems like achirality is what you are looking for. Or a superset of what you are looking for

Not so.
Elfsheet is anisomorphic and achiral.
Half Persian 4 in 1 is isomorphic and achiral.

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