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Posted on Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:56 pm
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I set the minimum AR for Tetra Orb to 6.0. This is the single ring size minimum, as multiple ring size reduction is likely possible.

Changing the number of protruding rings alters the AR requirements slightly.



Single:
Bright aluminum .080" (2.03mm) wire
7/16" (11.1mm) mandrel
.477" ID, AR of 6.0
Minimum single ring size AR

Double:
Bright aluminum .080" (2.03mm) wire
29/64" (11.5mm) mandrel
.497" ID, AR of 6.2
Minimum single ring size AR

Triple:
Bronze .062" (1.57mm) wire
3/8" (9.525mm) mandrel
.415" ID, AR of 6.7
6.6 is its minimum AR


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Posted on Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:26 pm
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TOT Cube is absolutely not possible at the 6.5 it’s ideal was listed as. I put together a 2x2x2 one at AR of 7.0 that is quite similar to the sample picture. It’s reasonably tight, maybe the minimum. However, I used up my old stock of .080” 1/2” bright aluminum, and the new stuff gave less springback, and yielded an AR of 6.8.

One of these days I’ll put together a larger sample. No pics at the moment.


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Posted on Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:19 pm
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Regarding dragonscale:

I recently made (by no intent) perfect rings for dragonscale.

Just one thing.

The AR was 3.0 on the small rings.

This made me think.

While My usual MO is to use the same wire size; This time I did not.

How was the AR calculated to make a min at 3.6?


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Posted on Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:45 pm
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4 in 2 Captivated 4 in 2
4 in 2 Captive

In the text it says 18ga; while I believe it’s 18ga SWG, the most probable is that he bought his rings from the supplier ”next door” to him.

I could try to Hunt him down, but I believe he bought his rings where everybody else did in the same ”Crowd”. Spiros only sold 3 sizes and 2 alloys. All in 1.3mm (16AWG). (6,8,11mm ID.) These are the most Common rings in sweden.


That makes his rings 16AWG.

This would make both 8.4AR.

4-2C is listed as 8.7
4-2C4-2 is listed with a dual AR, not the single, reported in the text.


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Posted on Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:49 pm
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I’m responsible for the incorrect, but close minimum AR listed for Dragonscale. Of course the values should have to be 2.0 apart. I was trying out combinations for the roof of a house, and that combo was tight: slightly too tight even as a small amount of pringling took place as the sheets were expanded.

It’s been something I’ve been meaning to further investigate. I’ve been toting around 3.7, and 5.7 same WD rings for the last few months, but there have been too many other things to weave. And maybe that combo doesn’t work too. I don’t know.


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Posted on Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:34 pm
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I just did a coyote Sheet strip, at 3.0 AR, and it Feels to shaggy to be ideal. Listed as 3.1


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Posted on Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:51 pm
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As per Tetra Orb’s min AR found to be 6.0, this makes it the min as well for:
Tetraorb line
Tetraorb square web
Tetraorb cube
Ideals set to 6.2.

None of these have any added constraints that would push their AR requirements up, since subsequent Tetra Orbs share protruding rings from the last one at exactly the same angle.

The other day I shifted TOT Cube to ideal 7.0. Today I set the same value for:
TOT Chain
TOT Sheet


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Karpeth wrote:
I just did a coyote Sheet strip, at 3.0 AR, and it Feels to shaggy to be ideal. Listed as 3.1


How wide is the strip? Might it tighten up some with added rows?


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Posted on Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:59 pm
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It’s ”3” wide.

Any comment on 4-2C?


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Posted on Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:57 pm
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I’ve expanded it more.

It’s extremely sloppy at AR 3.0.


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Posted on Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:59 pm
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Karpeth wrote:

Any comment on 4-2C?


Captive 4 in 2 Chain, or 4 in 2 Captive ideal was set to 8.7, based on a piece I made, although I don’t think it was me who set it to that value. At any rate there wouldn’t be much difference between 8.4 and 8.7. The weave will suck at either of these single ring AR.

The 8.7 I made has a bit of flex, but it’s somewhat inconsistent, janky at best. This weave is only ideal in two ring sizes if flexibility is desired, and these are specific to one another. Even then, it’s still not great. 4 in 2 Chain doesn’t make good cages, except when capturing chains.

Or, it’s most ideal single ring AR is much closer to the minimum and the weave is considered ideal only for structural purposes, despite that there are other, better choices for stiff chains.


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Posted on Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:56 pm
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Thanks.

I feel like I was trying too much to be efficient, but I included 4-2C4-2 in My shorthand.

Of course it’s beyond not obvious. Wink


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Posted on Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:03 pm
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http://www.mailleartisans.org/weaves/weavedisplay.php?key=1043
http://www.mailleartisans.org/weaves/weavedisplay.php?key=1042

These tetra orb lacks data, but is in line with others in This thread.


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Posted on Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:30 pm
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I couldn’t fully decipher what was going on with those two, so I left them blank. So they should also have min ars of 6.0?

I also don’t understand with the first one how with it being hexagonally expanding that it could be expanded to form a cube. Confused


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I couldn’t fully decipher what was going on with those two, so I left them blank. So they should also have min ars of 6.0?

I also don’t understand with the first one how with it being hexagonally expanding that it could be expanded to form a cube. Confused


They are Both the non-tight version, it seems. I believe that you say that’s 6.


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