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| Posted on Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:53 pm |
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As some weaves may have incorrect AR data, or missing some AR data (such as minimum AR), if you have AR information add to one of the missing fields or to correct please post here with the name of the weave, what is being changed/added, and the new AR information to be added. Ideal AR is rather subjective so before posting any changes to Ideal AR's please test thoroughly.
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rodw
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| Posted on Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:16 am |
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If you have an iPhone or an iPod Touch, there is a 99 cent app for chainmaille that lets you add your own weaves and specify min, max, and avg AR and then search for wires and rings that would be appropriate.
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| Posted on Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:50 pm |
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So the slight reason that this thread was started was due to this:
http://www.mailleartisans.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=16059#209047
In short:
Weave to be altered: True Persian 12-1 solid (http://www.mailleartisans.org/weaves/weavedisplay.php?oldkey=7095)
Information Changed: Minimum AR set to 7.6
Reason: In the weave description it described the weave as "many hilt chains woven together". The AR that I could begin to reproduce it like that (as shown in the other thread) was around 7.6. A similar weave is possible with the given AR, but it produces an unbalanced hilt chain and (as far as I can see) is not the one pictured in the weave page.
while(!finished)
project.addRing();
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| Posted on Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:38 pm |
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Curious why all this discussion is waiting until now to break out, but whatever 
I'm splitting all the discussion over the Weave Library to the appropriate thread (that somehow became unstickied, sorry folks... I probably purged it one night...): http://www.mailleartisans.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=15330
Please use this thread to report AR changes folks, and the one I just linked to for Weave Library Comments/Questions.
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| Posted on Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:13 pm || Last edited by ZiLi on Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:45 am; edited 1 time in total |
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If we part with the term 'ideal', as that is a very subjective one, I may propose to use 'submitted AR' - of the depicted weave sample. This would not solve the problem of erroneous entries, especially for weaves that were made just once, for the submission example, and never again. And once the weave was reproduced by another mailler, and the given AR data are confirmed, this can be changed to 'working/favored AR' or similar.
That's just an idea, and I'm not yet sure about its viability, usefulness, and finally sense at all - don't forget that the basic goal here is to get CORRECT data in our database, to avoid disappointing non-results if weaves are rebuilt with database ARs. But maybe it's worth a second thought, if it makes sense to add the possiblity to set and show a 'confirmed' flag...
-ZiLi-
Edit: Typo removed
Maille Code V2.0 T6.5 R5.6 Ep Fper Mfe.s Ws$ Cpbsw$ G0.4-3.5 I1.6-16.0 N28.25 Pj Dacdejst Xagtw S08 Hi
Human societies are like chain mail.
A single link will be worth nothing.
A chain is of use, but will break at the weakest link.
A weak weave will have the need to replace weak links.
A strong weave will survive even with weak links included.
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| Posted on Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:38 pm |
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Couldn't you just require submissions to have information about the rings used? In my submissions, with exception of a sheet version of a unit weave, I have included the ring sizes used in the displayed images, leaving it up to the viewer to calculate the AR.
Edit 1: Actually, I get where a search-enabled AR would be nice, I just wasn't thinking in that manner when I made this post, originally.
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| Posted on Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:36 pm |
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Having ring data (preferrably already calculated as AR) as submission requirement for weaves is given anyway, nowadays. The main problem is, that especially for older, existing entries more often as wished these data don't exist in direct useable form, or are simply incorrect.
Writing primarily as database user, not necessarily (but also) as admin my opinion is: These entries must be identified, and outfitted with precise, measured data, maybe even at the price that existing submission images are replaced with ones of pieces with known precise final closed-ring data. I think I could name a couple of weaves in our database that were in need of doing this.
-ZiLi-
Maille Code V2.0 T6.5 R5.6 Ep Fper Mfe.s Ws$ Cpbsw$ G0.4-3.5 I1.6-16.0 N28.25 Pj Dacdejst Xagtw S08 Hi
Human societies are like chain mail.
A single link will be worth nothing.
A chain is of use, but will break at the weakest link.
A weak weave will have the need to replace weak links.
A strong weave will survive even with weak links included.
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| Posted on Mon May 02, 2011 2:37 pm |
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Is this topic followed further, or laid 'ad acta', in the meanwhile? I'm just curious.
-ZiLi-
Maille Code V2.0 T6.5 R5.6 Ep Fper Mfe.s Ws$ Cpbsw$ G0.4-3.5 I1.6-16.0 N28.25 Pj Dacdejst Xagtw S08 Hi
Human societies are like chain mail.
A single link will be worth nothing.
A chain is of use, but will break at the weakest link.
A weak weave will have the need to replace weak links.
A strong weave will survive even with weak links included.
-'me |
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GeminiDolly
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| Posted on Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:23 pm |
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I am new to maille weaving. Can someone please tell me what AR stands for? 
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| Posted on Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:29 pm |
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| GeminiDolly wrote: | I am new to maille weaving. Can someone please tell me what AR stands for?
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If you hover over that lovely highlighted AR in your last post (or the one I quoted in mine) You'll get a bit of an explanation
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| Posted on Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:34 am |
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Celtic Visions Circle 4 and Celtic Visions Circle 5 both state that the ARs listed under ideal are in multiple wire sizes. They are not.
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| Posted on Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:09 am |
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| Chainmailbasket_com wrote: | | Celtic Visions Circle 4 and Celtic Visions Circle 5 both state that the ARs listed under ideal are in multiple wire sizes. They are not. |
Oops, fixed it. 
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| Posted on Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:05 am |
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Three Quarters Persian Sheet 6 in 1's minimum AR is 5.0.
Tested with:
stainless steel 308, 1/2 hard .040" (wire) 23/128" (mandrel) 0.200" (ID)
It doesn't get much more solid than this. I've got a house started with this combination for the walls.
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| Posted on Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:24 am |
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| The ideal AR for Moorish Rose is more like 7, 7.2 if you want to make a ball (assuming TRL is sending me the ARs they claim). |
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| Posted on Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:29 am |
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| djgm wrote: | | The ideal AR for Moorish Rose is more like 7, 7.2 if you want to make a ball (assuming TRL is sending me the ARs they claim). |
Except the picture is of a sheet, not a a ball...
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