Japanese chain garments as armor or kusari gusoku.
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Posted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:58 pm
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Now that is a great discovery!!

What is the weight of the piece like? With rings that small I can imagine that it has a good weight to it.

It also looks like the 8 in 1 rings are larger than the 4 in 1, judging from the third and fourth pictures. Is that correct or just an optical illusion?

thanks for sharing yet again.


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Posted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:50 pm
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Yes, the main body links are very small compared to the 8 in 1, I can get a weight and measurements but it is quite heavy. According to artofchainmail.com:
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As far as I'm aware there is no historical basis for this pattern. Still, it makes a very nice, very stiff, heavy armour.

http://artofchainmail.com/patterns/european/basic1in8.html

I would like to find out if this is true, are there no other examples of 8 in 1 being used historically?

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Posted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:17 pm
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measurements would be great if it doesn't take to much time.

I think you are in the best position to answer your question. I have not run across any other examples when I did a search a while back, but that doesn't mean, as you just showed us, that they don't exist.


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Posted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:38 pm
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I think it is safe to say that this armor had 8 in 1 used in some parts but it looks like something else was going on with the main body, you can see the red cloth backround around the arm pit area but then the rest of the body looks a lot heaver and you can not see the cloth underneath. Maybe the whole body is 8 in 1. I am sure that if these Japanese armors used 8 in 1 then it was used in other Japanese armors, what I was wondering was if 8 in 1 was used in any European armors orby any other culture.






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Posted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:52 pm
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I would agree that does look like 8-1. I am not sure if it was actively used in Europe of other cultures. That would be something interesting to research...


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Very nice finds. I've never seen a confirmed European 8-1 armour from any culture before.

The weave in the main body of the last piece only transitions from European 4-1 to European 6-1, you can tell by the unequal spacing between rows that's characteristic of looser E6-1 weaves. There are some rare examples of European 6-1 from western Europe, The samples that I know of range from the 2nd century BC to the 15th century AD.

There's also an early 19th century hauberk plus coif and gloves from Caucasus done in the Japanese 12-2 weave.


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Posted on Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:32 am
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Another rare variation, possibly coiled links, connected in the center by stacked links, either individual butted links or coiled links.



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Posted on Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:37 am
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Newly discovered karakuri-namban kusari (riveted Japanese mail).




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Another rare variation, possibly coiled links, connected in the center by stacked links, either individual butted links or coiled links.




It looks to me like they are small coils. There seems to be a pattern of horizontal to vertical rings which I am not sure about why that occurs.

Great piece. How would you like to wear that into battle?


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Newly discovered karakuri-namban kusari (riveted Japanese mail).





Now this one is really interesting. It looks a great deal like some Indian riveted maille that I have seen.

I do find the straps on the top of the shin guards, Abumi zuri no kawa I believe, interesting in how they are fastened. Is this typical? (the straps on the top that wrap around.)


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A newly discovered type of Japanese mail.


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That is cool! I did a twisted wire project for Christmas this year and all I can say is WOW Surprised

It looks like the weave they used was what we would call European 4 in 1 or I believe the Japanese called it Naban gusari. There are some variations where things might have slipped or from a poor repair, but that looks to me to be the overall pattern.

Neat piece thanks again for sharing!


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Posted on Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:40 pm
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Another new discovery

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Kote, 17th c, by Unkai Mitsunao, who used an unconventional material and arrangement of links for the kusari (mail), the kusari is made of brass to avoid damage to the underlying fabric from rust, the links are connected in a pattern called "kagome-gata-gusari" which forms hexagonal open spaces in the design, detail view of the kusari.





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Posted on Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:07 pm
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the leaf Keko (?) or plates are really interesting. Do you know why they would have used brass instead of the traditional iron and laquering? I understand what was said , but I find it interesting that there is no laquering seeing as almost everything else they did with metal was laquered.


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