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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:31 am
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Deirdre wrote:

I just don't have the eye; I really don't see a center ring in this thing. I see smaller ID rings running through rings in the 2-2 chain, making it look Byz-ish to me. I'm 99.9% certain I can duplicate the original pic without a big center ring, which I can find no trace of. I had a second pair of eyes look at it for me, and we're both stymied. If someone can photo shop an arrow at it, I'd appreciate it.



I'm with you Deirdre, I can't see it either.


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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:59 am
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I can see the middle ring and I suspect it needs the middle ring to hold it stable whereas December doesn't need a middle ring.

Maybe this will help D.

Byzantine Diamond (middle ring highlighted in pink)


December (no middle ring)



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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:33 pm
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Look closely. There is a middle ring in December Very Happy


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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:28 pm
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Yes looks like there could be but it's not mentioned in the description. If there is a middle ring then the description needs editiing.
*Legba is now going to PM Sunstone*


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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:35 pm
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Well, the description does list two ring sizes, it just doesn't give much construction details.


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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:48 pm
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Legba3 wrote:
I can see the middle ring and I suspect it needs the middle ring to hold it stable whereas December doesn't need a middle ring.

Maybe this will help D.

Byzantine Diamond (middle ring highlighted in pink)


December (no middle ring)


Hmmm, I guess that could be a middle ring, but to me it looks like four small rings. Maybe it's just the angle of the shot or something. *shrug*

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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:20 pm
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You guys are geniuses. Yes, the center ring is hard to see but it has to be there to support the outer rings. I was fussing with it all night and still couldn't get it right. I think I'm using the wrong rings. I'm trying to do this with D20s and they're just too small and thick. I'll try your way and thank you, thank you, thank you!


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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:30 pm
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MikiCatDesigns wrote:
I'm trying to do this with D20s

My first thought was what you were doing trying to weave dice Smile. Then I remembered someone out there uses some interesting shorthand for their rings. Is that Spider?


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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:09 pm
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Elemental Dragon wrote:
MikiCatDesigns wrote:
I'm trying to do this with D20s

My first thought was what you were doing trying to weave dice Smile. Then I remembered someone out there uses some interesting shorthand for their rings. Is that Spider?

that would be Blue Buddah's 20ga 1/8. Smile

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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:14 pm
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Thanks. I don't frequent either of their sites often, I just knew I'd seen that notation somewhere Smile


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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:54 pm
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Yup, Blue Buddah. Sorry, I'm still new at this and figuring out sizes drives me nuts. I'm now getting my rings from TRL. Though I'm starting to make my own in silver and GF. I love chainmaille, but I'm not good at math. LOL So I don't know what I'm doing half the time. I'm trying to make this piece in Niobium. And actually, in B20s, using a D20 (1/8" or 3.2mm) as the center ring. B20 is 20g, 3/32" or 2.4mm ID. Tiny little suckers.


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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:38 pm
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Ooo watch out Blue Buddha may be more expensive but her quality way outstrips TRL.


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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:46 pm
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Here's it highlighted for anyone still doubting the middle rings existance. Smile
December has one too.


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Posted on Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:39 am
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Without the center ring, the rings fall into one long piece of 2in4 chain.
I'm not sure if I have time for an article at the moment, so if someone else want to run with it, you're welcome even to cut and paste the notes I posted.

I'm also going to try one five-pointed, maybe with a 7.5mm center ring, but again, I've got a lot I'm working on now, so if someone wants to pick that up and run with that one, too, I'd love to see it!


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Posted on Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:15 pm
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Talia!!! Your directions worked perfectly!!!! A bit hard to do with the smaller ring size I was using, but doable once I found the right size center ring. I couldn't go smaller than D20 or 3.2mm, without losing my mind. LOL Thank you sooooo much!!!!! This is going to make a great piece when I'm finished. I just need to make more center ring sizes.


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