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Posted on Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:30 pm
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I'm looking for the Byzantine Diamond weave. Not the one that's made into a ball, but flat, like the picture below. Can anyone help me? I can usually figure weaves out by looking at them but this one has me stumped.




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Posted on Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:37 pm
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it has the look of the Olivia weave with a larger connector ring.

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Posted on Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:52 pm
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Similar, but not close enough. I tried it that way, still couldn't get it.


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Posted on Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:04 pm
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Hmmmm, frankly that doesn't even look like Byz to me at all. From what I can see in the picture, it just looks like a section of 2-2 chain with some smaller connector rings running inside the flat rings and through one ring each on either side of the large connector rings and on the inside of the "diamond".

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Posted on Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:15 pm
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Not sure whether its one of the B2 variants or not, but here is some Byzantine to it, the point rings are just obscuring it because they are pulling both what would be the connector rings and the box 'wings' together. That may be enough of a description that you can get it. If not, here's how I would do it.

This is making the assumption that you know how to weave Byzantine. Find a ring (or two, if you want it doubled) big enough that 4 byzantine units could all use it as an end ring at the same time. One at a a time, build 4 half Byzantine units up to and including the rings that would be between the boxes. Now, take any two half units and link the wings of each box that are right next to each other as well as the closest connector ring of each half unit. Use one ring or two, as you see fit. Repeat with each additional pair.

Sorry, can't help you with sizes, though.


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Posted on Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:15 pm
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That is the 'Celtic Filigree' by Rebecca Mojica of Blue Buddha if I'm not mistaken. It takes 5 different ring sizes and here is the only tutorial I know of:

http://www.longcanyon.com/Shop_ClassNotes/JAP_500.htm


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Posted on Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:21 pm
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It does, indeed, look like Celtic Filagree, but the image in the roiginal post definitely has a lower set of rings just like the set of rings that angle up over the top of the central ring.


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Posted on Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:36 pm
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IT certainly looks like the Celtic Filagree but isn't quite it. Still, I have to thank you for showing me some things. I tried to reproduce it by adding the center ring to the outer weave. Could only do that with a larger center which changes it's look too much. However, the more I look at it now, the more I see I can build the 'byzantine' elements from the center ring outward. I'll try that. If it works, I'll see what I can do about posting my first tutorial. Smile

Thanks for the breakdown.


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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:27 am || Last edited by Talia on Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:13 am; edited 1 time in total
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I just did one, here's how:

1 ring- 1mm wd, 6.25mm actual id, open
28 rings- 1mm wd, 3.5mm actual id, 16 closed, 12 open

-Make four units of 2-2-2 out of the 3.5mm rings
-One at a time, take a 2-2-2 unit and 'box' the rings on one end by flipping the two end rings apart and secure the box by catching the two center rings on the larger ring.
-Close the larger ring. You will have one larger ring with four boxes. There should be two small, closed rings extending from the top of each box.
-Push the two extending rings from the top of one box away from eachother, sort of splaying the rings of the box. Two rings should point out on either side of the box like wings. Do the same to an adjacent box. The two center sets of wings should be touching.
-Grab an open 3.5mm ring and catch all four of the center 'wing rings' and close this ring, forming a corner.
-Splay another adjacent box and add another corner ring.
-Splay the last box and add the last two corner rings.
...and you're done.

The 6.25mm ring works well, but leaves the square just a little loose for my taste. If I were to do another, I'd probably go up to a 6.5mm.


edit: stoopid typos.


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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:27 am
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Ok, I still fail to see this elusive center ring that keeps getting referenced. Sorry, I just don't see it.

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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:02 am
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@Dierdre-
Orig pic, southeast side- you can see it running through the center of the box. It's there.

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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:31 am
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Tal - Article this up, please and thank you Smile

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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:42 am
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Talia wrote:
@Dierdre-
Orig pic, southeast side- you can see it running through the center of the box. It's there.

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I just don't have the eye; I really don't see a center ring in this thing. I see smaller ID rings running through rings in the 2-2 chain, making it look Byz-ish to me. I'm 99.9% certain I can duplicate the original pic without a big center ring, which I can find no trace of. I had a second pair of eyes look at it for me, and we're both stymied. If someone can photo shop an arrow at it, I'd appreciate it.

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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:33 am
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this looks to me like a of a B2 , offset 90 degrees(so the flip is not on the corner), but yeah very simple to make I would make it a little differently than Tal, I would make the for rings units of 2-2 hook four onto the large ring an close it , then box them off, amounts to the same thing though.

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Posted on Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:52 am
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It appears to be constructed the same as this:
http://www.mailleartisans.org/weaves/subcat.cgi?key=7492
but with fewer 'arms', 'points' whatever.


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