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Persian Dragonscale Sheet attempt
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Posted on Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:42 pm
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After talking to Legba some time back about if Persian Dragonscale could be made into a sheet I thought I would give it a try. Here is what I came up with. It is essentially three pieces of Persian Dragonscale in a ^v^ pattern.

Here is the top side: (EDITED BY CYNAKE - Those weren't image links, those were website links, they hide the location of the pics, I extracted them, fixed that for you.)


Here is the bottom side:(EDITED BY CYNAKE - Those weren't image links, those were website links, they hide the location of the pics, I extracted them, fixed that for you.)


Stats:
Stainless Steel 19g ID.0312 in
Copper 19g ID .037 in


I was looking around to see if there was anything in the weaves like it but I haven't seen anything. What do you all make of it? Any comments?

Again sorry for the bad pictures and one of these days I will get a saw.


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Posted on Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:01 pm
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Really not sure about this. It's not a sheet because it doesn't look like it can be extended in all directions. Maybe a chain but I can't tell from those shots if it would be something 'new' or not.


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Posted on Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:13 pm
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I wasn't sure if it was a sheet or not. Confused I thought that it might be because you can make the initial chain as long as you would like and then add the others onto the sides. The one that is pictured is 3 "sections" wide, but it could go as wide as you want it to.

As far as being something new I have no idea. I can get you different pictures once I get home if you would like. I just enjoyed the look and thought I would show it off, if it happened to be new cool if not I would know what to properly call it.


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Posted on Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:46 pm
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It's really difficult to tell from those pics. Let's leave it open here and see what others think.


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Posted on Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:56 pm
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Looks as if the others may agree with you. I was able to take some different pictures so maybe these will help. Sorry for the bad photography.

View from the end:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2715212190103352590QXAuaw

Side view:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2014921150103352590CiYfbb
looks identical to Persian Dragonscale from this angle

The last one is a picture of me wearing it:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2739290930103352590wMDJDl

Hope these help or get some discussion going. I am not looking to have it named as a new weave I am just interested in what it is called.


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Posted on Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:25 pm
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MusicMan wrote:
Looks as if the others may agree with you.


I haven't decided yet and no one else has said anything.
The only issue I have is with expanding it sheet like. I know it's a pain but if you could expand it width ways and show us a pic that would be the deciding factor.


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Posted on Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:22 pm
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No Problem. I have relatives in town so it may take more time than usual, but as soon as I get it done I will post some pictures.

Once it is done I would even be willing to send you a sample if you want to look at it closer. I really like the look of the weave, but the pictures just don't do it justice.


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Posted on Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:24 pm
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You don't need to do that, I'm just curious to see it expanded width ways, then it's a sheet for sure.


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Posted on Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:30 pm
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Legba you were correct! Wink It can't be expanded, I was only able to expand the current chain I had about 1/4 of the way and then things just started to lock up on me. I guess that is why you are the Weave guru, but I had to try. Thanks for humoring me.

Were you ever able to find out what kind of chain it was from the additional pictures? I really like the construction and would like to call it by it's proper name because I am thinking on submitting it for the theme contest.

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Posted on Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:52 pm
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OK so it's not a sheet. I would still like some other opinions on this, seems to me it's not the same as Persian Dragonscale but is it new???
Let's see what others have to say.


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Posted on Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:58 pm
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To help facilitate discussion and help people make a decision I will tell you how I made the piece.

1. I made a length of Persian Dragonscale using the above mentioned rings.

2. Using the top Stainless rings as one side of the pattern I created a E4-1 section 5 rings wide. Essentially building it both to the right and the left of the top of the Persian Dragonscale chain. The top of the original chain being row 3.

3. I flipped the chain over so the E4-1 is down and then added the copper rings in the same manner as you would for making Persian Dragonscale.

4. I used the new copper row and one Persian side of the original chain for the two Persian sides of the new section and connected them as in a normal Persian Dragonscale chain.

5. Repeated 3 & 4 for the other side.


Essentially the copper pattern looks like a "W" with each side of the w being the Persian 3-1 and a layer of E4-1 on the top and bottom.

Maybe this helps, maybe it doesn't. I thought since my pictures are so poor maybe my descriptive writing, also not very good, would help people make a decision.


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Posted on Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:03 pm
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I think this could count as 'Extended Persian Dragonscale' chain.


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Posted on Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:44 pm
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Legba3 wrote:
I think this could count as 'Extended Persian Dragonscale' chain.


I just have read the whole discussion (ouch! for my mind) and I would say this is a suitable name since it is PD with 'things' added. I wouldn't give it a new name, because it's more like a variation than a real new weave.


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Posted on Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:11 pm
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Okay, I'm just joining in now, but I think I may be able to add a little insight:

Persian Dragonscale CANNOT be made into sheet form. Why? It's already sheet woven into a round. WHAT!?!?
Persian Dragonscale has a predictable horizontal pattern which can be repeated: one strip of p3in1, one strip of eu4in1, where each strip is joined by its edges to the next. The Persian Dragonscale we have an example of in the Hybrids library is 2 repeats of the pattern AND THEN BROUGHT INTO THE ROUND, using the unfinished edges to join the first strip with the last.

Implications:
1.) Persian Dragonscale as it has been catalogued is a round weave, limiting it's expantion to up and down.
2.) There does, theoretically, exist a Persian Dragonscale sheet which, in theory, is infinately expandable in four directions, however I'm not sure if it's in the library yet. I'll look into that too. I'm about to test out this theory and will post my results soon.
3.) Music Man- I'm not sure if this seems to me yet to be an embellishment on an existing weave or if your modifications change the actual structure of the original weave, but I'm excited to try it out. I think your instructions iwth the pictures are clear enough for me to give it a shot, but I will PM you if I have any questions. Then I'll post my personal opinon, fwiw, once I've played around with it a bit Smile


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Posted on Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:38 pm
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Legba-Did you ever try expanding Alligator back outwards (sideways)?


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