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Posted on Wed May 23, 2018 10:01 pm
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I re-adjusted the ideal AR for TOT Cube and brought it up to AR of 7.5.

7.0 worked very well on the original 2x2x2 I made.

But then I decided to make a larger sample, this time 4x4x4. It's still not quite finished, and as of today it's 4x4x3. The picture shows an earlier incarnation of it at only a few layers, with the top layer only having been started with 4 horizontal orbital, and 4 vertical orbitals set in.



The rings I'm using for this are .048" bronze and stainless steel, each wrapped on a 5/16" mandrel. I don't have the exact specs on my person right now, but the

  • stainless has an AR of 7.2,
  • and the bronze has an AR of 7.3.


The ID difference is pretty low, but they are still differently sized, and I'm not sure if that affects its tightness compared with using all rings EXACTLY the same size, but what I'm putting together is certainly pushing the AR low limits.

And as much as I don't necessarily like setting AR data to something not attempted, 7.5 seems like a safe number.

I highly recommend this weave to anyone interested in dimensional chainmail expansion and sculpture.

I'll get better pictures once I full it out to 4x4x4.


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Posted on Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:07 pm
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Orbital has been confirmed to have an AR that is 2+2?3.

This is noted as the rounded up value of 5.47 in the text, but not in the AR table.

Suggestion: 5.47 in the table, 2+2?3. in the text.


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Posted on Tue May 28, 2019 11:40 am
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Flagellum is impossibly tight at 3.5. at 4.0 it’s Good.
Pilus is just a smidgen too tight at 3.5.


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Posted on Wed May 29, 2019 9:43 pm
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Karpeth wrote:
Flagellum is impossibly tight at 3.5. at 4.0 it’s Good.
Pilus is just a smidgen too tight at 3.5.


Got em.


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Posted on Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:49 pm
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Bubble Chain has an Min AR above 8.0, If it’s Of interest.


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Criss stitch has ar information in text, but not box.


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Karpeth wrote:
Criss stitch has ar information in text, but not box.


What praytell is “Criss Stitch“?


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Karpeth wrote:
Criss stitch has ar information in text, but not box.


What praytell is “Criss Stitch“?


I’m sorry. Cross Stitch. Autocorrect...


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Chainmailbasket_com wrote:
Karpeth wrote:
Criss stitch has ar information in text, but not box.


What praytell is “Criss Stitch“?


I’m sorry. Cross Stitch. Autocorrect...


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Ah yes, the ole Cross Stitch. Well, not so old I guess.

I was never fond of the idea of listing ARs for multiple wire diameter using weaves. That’s not really a valid excuse, but I feel m.a.i.l. needs to reevaluate that choice.

Entry picture uses:
AR of 6.3 in .062” for large rings
AR of 4.2 in .032” for small rings
These are approximate figures.

When I produced a sample, it used:
AR of 6.5 in .062”, .405” measured ID
AR of 5.0 in .040”, .200” measured ID

Other combinations will undoubtedly work.

If both values of a known, working combination aren’t scaled up or down consistently, in both inner and wire diameter, the weave might not work.

What is the ideal AR combination for this weave?

“Measured ID”. I feel so dirty saying this because of its blatant redundancy. But that said, several maillers still refer to mandrel size as ID, and these two values seldom end up being the same.


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Posted on Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:10 pm
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Screw Chain feels loose at 3.4...


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Karpeth wrote:
Screw Chain feels loose at 3.4...


Well this is interesting. Back in January I started messing around with RSD and Barrel, then Drunken, and Prejudiced Rhinos and wondered why rhino rings weren’t applied to every cell.

So I made “Prejudiced Rhinos Full 1”, and “Prejudiced Rhinos 2”, each respectively with one or two rings per cell.

1, I just found out, is Prejudiced Rhinos Everywhere (somehow missed spotting it before), and a very slinky and ideal for a bracelet chain is made at AR of 3.3. The 2 rhinos per cell version is a little bit tighter at AR of 3.7, but still offers considerable flexibility.

The weave entry for Screw Chain is strange to me insofar as it has an AKA listed for its reduced version. Does this mean that the listed minimum AR should be for this reduced version? If so, it’s below 3.3.

So I made Screw Chain proper, alternating between 1 and 2 rhinos per cell.
.265” ID / .078” = AR of 3.4 yielded a very stiff stick.

There is sometimes found a seemingly strange phenomenon that things made in smaller wire in the same AR end up slightly looser. I’ve experienced this before, but it could be coincidental.

I afterward tried:
.118” ID / .035” = AR of 3.4
It, and the previous sample in aluminum.

It was slightly easier to apply the 2nd rhino ring, but still points to being its minimum possible.

World of difference at AR of 3.5, specifically:
.215” ID / .062” aluminum, where already there is enough flexibility for, say, a bracelet.

Karpeth, is it safe for me to assume you did the 1-2-1-2 rhino ring configuration?


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Karpeth wrote:
Shenanigans should have the same AR as Dragonscale, right?


This one was brushed past. The Shenanigans reduction can actually be weaved lower than DS, owing to its discontinuation. I just made a piece recently in AR of 3.0, and AR of 5.3 in .062” (1.6mm), which offers a slightly restricted arc, but could still be bracelet material. Ideal is listed at 4, and 6. Seems okay I think. Not sure about it’s minimum though.


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Chainmailbasket_com wrote:
Karpeth wrote:
Screw Chain feels loose at 3.4...


Well this is interesting. Back in January I started messing around with RSD and Barrel, then Drunken, and Prejudiced Rhinos and wondered why rhino rings weren’t applied to every cell.

So I made “Prejudiced Rhinos Full 1”, and “Prejudiced Rhinos 2”, each respectively with one or two rings per cell.

1, I just found out, is Prejudiced Rhinos Everywhere (somehow missed spotting it before), and a very slinky and ideal for a bracelet chain is made at AR of 3.3. The 2 rhinos per cell version is a little bit tighter at AR of 3.7, but still offers considerable flexibility.

The weave entry for Screw Chain is strange to me insofar as it has an AKA listed for its reduced version. Does this mean that the listed minimum AR should be for this reduced version? If so, it’s below 3.3.

So I made Screw Chain proper, alternating between 1 and 2 rhinos per cell.
.265” ID / .078” = AR of 3.4 yielded a very stiff stick.

There is sometimes found a seemingly strange phenomenon that things made in smaller wire in the same AR end up slightly looser. I’ve experienced this before, but it could be coincidental.

I afterward tried:
.118” ID / .035” = AR of 3.4
It, and the previous sample in aluminum.

It was slightly easier to apply the 2nd rhino ring, but still points to being its minimum possible.

World of difference at AR of 3.5, specifically:
.215” ID / .062” aluminum, where already there is enough flexibility for, say, a bracelet.

Karpeth, is it safe for me to assume you did the 1-2-1-2 rhino ring configuration?


No. I apparently didn’t read the whole text and assumed the R1 version was the main one, as it is the fully reduced one, and I don’t see an argument for R1.5 being the base.

If the image is legible, I always go by it. What I made was apparently PRE.


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Posted on Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:29 pm
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Oops seems to share it’s Minimum AR of 2.83 with E4-1. I cannot go lower, it is just as stiff as E4-1 at that AR.


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