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Posted on Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:24 am
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Dweezle wrote:
maybe I'll have time to post them tomorrow night.

deeeurrp.... here we go... just links because of the size of the pics.

http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtle4parts.jpg
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtle4parts2.jpg
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtle4parts3.jpg
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtle4parts4.jpg

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Posted on Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:41 pm
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great work, dweezle.. i especially like the shell and how rigid it looks.


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Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:48 am
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That is a great turtle I like the color contrasts that you used.


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Posted on Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:02 am
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Cool turtle, and it's nice to see you poking your head out around here once in awhile Smile.


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Posted on Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:47 pm
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thanks for the compliments and all, if anyone has more constructive criticism then feel free to fire away Smile

the colors of the metals in those pics are not the colors it will be when finished. I plan on etching the shell to remove galvy from the washers, and I have an idea for a patina process that I think should turn the mild steel thats left sort of a dark reddish brown, as well as darkening up all the copper.

For reference, since turtle #4 is similar to others I've made, here are links to pics of the turtles 1 and 3. I don't have pictures of number 2, but it was pretty much the same as #1 and now lives in Detroit...

turtle 1:
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/new/turtle1a.JPG
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/new/turtle1b.JPG
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/new/turtle1c.JPG
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/new/turtle1d.JPG
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/new/turtle1e.JPG
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/new/turtle1f.JPG
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/new/turtle1g.JPG
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/new/turtle1h.JPG
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/new/turtle1i.JPG

turtle 3: (these are just temporary and will be replaced with better pics later... this one is harder to photograph because of the dark color)
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtle3back.jpg
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtle3belly.jpg
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtle3face.jpg

Turtle three has spent the last year and a half hanging out in a jewelry store and then in an antiques and art shop. I brought him home last night to get better pictures and have found a few places to make improvements. The front legs don't have as much of a range of motion as I would like so tomorrow is going to be turtle surgery day. I'll probably get pics of inside the chest cavity when I peel it open.

And last is a pic of turtle 1, 3, and parts of 4 lined up for size reference.
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtles134.jpg

I think I have some other random sculpture bits that I've never bothered to photograph, I'll probably get pictures of those too, and maybe of some scrapped sculptures that never really went anywhere... its all old stuff from around 2000 to 2004 or so.

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Posted on Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:20 pm
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I love number 3. Is that bicycle chain that you used for the bottom? That is some really neat ideas put into play there.


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Posted on Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:32 pm
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I love the turtles. Smile I'm curious, what did you do to the washers on turtle #3 to give them that color/finish? It looks really nice.

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Posted on Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:11 am || Last edited by Dweezle on Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:37 am; edited 1 time in total
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sakredchao wrote:
great work, dweezle.. i especially like the shell and how rigid it looks.

It is fairly rigid. I'm starting to think that a better way to show how maille things like this handle would (other than in person) be video. The shell has a springy quality that does not come through in pictures.

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I love number 3. Is that bicycle chain that you used for the bottom? That is some really neat ideas put into play there.


thanks, it is rows of parts from bicycle chains separated by rows of washers. Most of the bike chain plates have a bit of curve to them for more 3d shaping.

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Cool turtle, and it's nice to see you poking your head out around here once in awhile


Thanks, I hope to be around more, I didn't have good internet access for a while and have gotten a bit distracted by other stuff. but I recently found myself mailling a bit more since starting a job working a night shift without much that actually needs to be done, and got web on something other than a cellphone.

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what did you do to the washers on turtle #3 to give them that color/finish?

It was a process that works on steel and iron (not stainless steel or galvy) that is similar to using oil to season cast iron cookware. I use old motor oil and/or WD40 instead of vegetable oil or linseed oil (both of the later are too thick and tend to get all gummy in the maille). The finished piece is coated in oil and than (outside on a breezy day) I use a propane torch to burn the oil onto the surface of the metal. A lot of smoke and some flames are to be expected when doing this. There is a balance between baking the oil onto the surface and burning off the baked on oil. I've also heard of people using an old BBQ grill rather than a torch... that would probably make my neighbors wonder a bit less about why I'm out in my driveway roasting a turtle with a propane torch.

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Posted on Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:38 am
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I took some slightly better pics today of turtle #3. I was hoping to get better pics but had to take them outside and it was rather windy and frigid out...

http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtle3a.jpg
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtle3b.jpg
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtle3c.jpg
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtle3d.jpg
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtle3e.jpg
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtle3f.jpg
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/turtle3g.jpg

I didn't have a chance to open him up like I had planned to today so no pics of that yet.

I got out a box of random maille bits and have been taking pictures of some of them... I might stick them somewhere on my website rather than linking to each of them individually here, except for this one since it relates to the turtles.




This was my initial experiment that led to what I use a turtle shell (a shape that I've also considered using in a mushroom sculpture, and maille bra with semi-rigid cups). This was with the same size (mandrel size) rings as used in the shells of my first three turtles, but mild steel rather than stainless. The difference in the size of the rings was just enough so that as the dome of the shell started to take shape it became nearly impossible to add rings without the tension pulling other rings apart. The final ring I tried to add before tossing it to the oddities bin took forever to get into place and then would not stay closed.

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Posted on Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:58 am
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I uploaded my little maille Scotsman to the gallery here...

There's another picture I didn't upload because I'm sure some people might be offended by a picture of what is under his kilt... So, you've been warned... The following picture shows the wee maille Scotsman in a rather dirty and revealing pose:
http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/mjscotsjunk.jpg

Edit: forgot to add another link... here's the page I've started putting together for some of my abandoned maille sculpture projects. I'll add a few more if people are interested, but what is there now are some of the better ones... ie, not just a chunk or lump of strangely shaped Japanese Cube.

http://mailmaker.tripod.com/sculpture/graveyard/

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Posted on Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:57 pm
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Nice turtles. I like the details on #3.

Dweezle wrote:
Jax25 wrote:
what did you do to the washers on turtle #3 to give them that color/finish?
It was a process that works on steel and iron (not stainless steel or galvy) that is similar to using oil to season cast iron cookware. I use old motor oil and/or WD40 instead of vegetable oil or linseed oil (both of the later are too thick and tend to get all gummy in the maille). The finished piece is coated in oil and than (outside on a breezy day) I use a propane torch to burn the oil onto the surface of the metal. A lot of smoke and some flames are to be expected when doing this. There is a balance between baking the oil onto the surface and burning off the baked on oil. I've also heard of people using an old BBQ grill rather than a torch... that would probably make my neighbors wonder a bit less about why I'm out in my driveway roasting a turtle with a propane torch.
Is the finish resilient? I mean, does it rub or chip off, or is it a barely noticed occurrence? If it does come off, how long does one application usually last?

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Posted on Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:41 am
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Dweezle wrote:

It was a process that works on steel and iron (not stainless steel or galvy) that is similar to using oil to season cast iron cookware. I use old motor oil and/or WD40 instead of vegetable oil or linseed oil (both of the later are too thick and tend to get all gummy in the maille).


Aha! That totally explains the coloring. Very nifty! Some day when I'm not living in an apartment any more, I'll have to try that.

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Posted on Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:26 am
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Aberrant Artificer wrote:

Dweezle wrote:
It was a process that works on steel and iron (not stainless steel or galvy) that is similar to using oil to season cast iron cookware. I use old motor oil and/or WD40 instead of vegetable oil or linseed oil (both of the later are too thick and tend to get all gummy in the maille). The finished piece is coated in oil and than (outside on a breezy day) I use a propane torch to burn the oil onto the surface of the metal. A lot of smoke and some flames are to be expected when doing this. There is a balance between baking the oil onto the surface and burning off the baked on oil. I've also heard of people using an old BBQ grill rather than a torch... that would probably make my neighbors wonder a bit less about why I'm out in my driveway roasting a turtle with a propane torch.
Is the finish resilient? I mean, does it rub or chip off, or is it a barely noticed occurrence? If it does come off, how long does one application usually last?


It seems to gradually wear off in areas where the rings/washers are loosely woven enough to move. My first turtle had the same finish and it has gradually went from blackish to brownish over several (5 or 6) years. Because of the semi-self-polishing nature of maille that is less tightly woven, such as most jewelry and armor, that the rings would much more quickly polish themselves back down to bare steel. I'm not sure about chipping, it might since it is a semi-hard surface treatment. In the turtles this is polishing is slowed down a lot by the weave being tight enough to not allow the rings to move much, at least in the shell - also, the rings only ever really rub on the edges of the washers and do not touch the wide/flat surfaces. The "vertical" rings also protect the washers a bit from outside abrasion just by sticking out further than the surface of the washers, and by being somewhat close together.

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Posted on Wed May 23, 2012 2:51 am
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Bump.


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Posted on Wed May 23, 2012 4:49 am
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i never realized you were into flagpole sitting


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