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[Article] e4 - flat expanding circle
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Posted on Sat May 12, 2012 8:47 pm || Last edited by sakredchao on Mon May 14, 2012 3:15 am; edited 2 times in total
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This is woven using the "one open: one closed" weaving method. The ratio is slightly different, but the principle is the same.

The queen ring (wide mouth canning lid) is larger than the shower curtain rings.
All pink rings are woven as open rings.
All white rings are woven as closed rings.
All green rings are expansion rings, woven as closed rings or added afterward as open rings.



I start with my queen ring closed.




I weave my way around the queen ring, until the weave lays flat on the table when connected. You can see that 6 pink rings on the queen is not quite enough to make this work, it takes 7. When you have the first circle connected, the queen ring should be able to freely pass through the center. You can see the rings sticking up in the first image. This is not loose and the shower curtain rings will not flop to either side of the queen ring.

Each ring size is different. If you -need- it to be 6 rings around, use larger rings for the shower rings or a smaller queen ring. I have had the number of rings around the queen be anywhere from 6 to 12. The number of rings on your queen dictate how many expansion rings you will have.

This is the most important step. If this step is done improperly, the rest of the project will reflect that. When laid out flat, it should not bunch up (nipple), in the middle (at the queen ring). You should be able to hold the queen ring between your thumb and index finger and have the outer row flop to one side or the other. If you were to have woven one less ring around the queen, it should be too tight.

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When I begin to weave my next row, I place my stitch with the expansion ring first. I place it directly off of an expansion ring in the previous row. On the first row I place an expansion ring on every stitch. Here on the second row, I place an expansion ring every other stitch.

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Here you can see the expansion lines begin to form as the piece progresses.

An alternate method of adding expansion rings is to add them after the row is woven on. This avoids confusion when using a smaller expansion ring. (see below)

When weaving metal, my white and pink rings are the same size and the green rings are slightly smaller. You can see the green rings only pass through 3 other rings. When you use the same size rings for the expansions, they will stick up slightly and not look clean. Slightly smaller expansion rings fixed this problem.

However you decide to add your expansion rings, all expansion rings should have the same number of "white" rings between them. You can check this by either visually scanning around the edge of the piece and counting. You can also check this by following the expansion lines out from the center.

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The biggest problem you are likely to encounter is over expansion. Check at the end of every row, to make sure the circle lays flat and the sections of standard e4, between the expansions, are near full stretch without being stiff and restricted or becoming crowded.

You can fix over expansion in a couple of ways. Either by removing some of the expansion rings in the outer row. (Make sure you remove them equally around the edge. Look at how I chose to dish 7 expansion rings in the example below.)

The second way that I have found works well is to add a non expanding row and afterward continue expanding as usual.

If you find yourself having to fiddle with the expansions to get them right, cut in at the expansions. No need to remove work on the straight e4 sections between the expansions. Check the spacing of the rings on the outer edge. They should be at, or near, full stretch. Check the queen ring. If you are getting the nipple effect at the queen ring before you start dishing, there is something wrong.

A quick and easy test is to put your finger on the queen ring and slide the piece around on the table. Wiggle it back and forth. The entire piece should move with your finger if the tension is even throughout.. There will be a little slack here and there, but it is up to you to decide how much is acceptable.

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Dishing
Dishing is how you would make a coif shaped like a head, as opposed to being shaped like a #10 can of corn..

If you wish to dish the piece, you can begin to remove expansions. The piece I made here would be awkward to dish as 7 doesn't divide up very easily, being a prime number. A piece with 12 expansions dishes well, as you have many options. The more factors a number has, the more it lends itself to dishing.


Here, you can see I removed 3 of the outer expansion rings and continued the other 4 expansion lines. I could not dish evenly, so I did the best I could.


You can see that as the outer rows fill in, the middle begins to get messy and crowded.


The further you go, the more the middle will nipple when laid out on a flat surface.

my hat which i can't figure out how to get to show up in this thread as an image
This hat was made with 12 expansion lines. You can see that they end at different places. You can see one set clearly in this image. There are 3 sets of 4 expansion lines.

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i'm open to suggestions on this. anything you feel this needs? i can easily go back and create whatever image might be most desirable.


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Posted on Sat May 12, 2012 9:26 pm
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Excellent article, hope it is put into the permanent Articles section to make it easy to find.

It is extemely clear, and easy to follow, thanks.

But I am already lost at the idea of how to remove those expansion rings to obtain dishing. Does that mean after the piece formed here was completed? or along the way while weaving?

I would be grateful for another photo or two showing the expansion ring removal. I understand seven doesn't divide evenly, but it would still give me a better idea if you could show a bit of it on this piece.

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Posted on Sat May 12, 2012 9:47 pm
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thanks!

basically, "remove" is the wrong word. "stop adding" is more appropriate. if you look at the hat image closely, and look at the length of the expansion lines varies. you can see where i stopped adding expansion rings.

i'll work on getting those pictures tomorrow morning. if the dishing pictures don't turn up well, i'll bring a large black rubber ball (from a ball chair) to get the dishing images.. it will be about a week or two before i have them.


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Posted on Sun May 13, 2012 2:35 am
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Excellent article - let's hope that library area becomes write-accessible soon, as I have also a couple of articles in my personal queue...

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Posted on Sun May 13, 2012 2:54 am
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ZiLi wrote:
Excellent article - let's hope that library area becomes write-accessible soon, as I have also a couple of articles in my personal queue...

-ZiLi-


once i realized i could post in here, at least for now, i stopped caring quite so much.. it was only slightly frustrating while i was trying to figure out how to get a new tutorial to a member who had requested one.. i mean, really, how often is it that i actually do something? once i realized that the forum works for now, everything got happy.


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Posted on Sun May 13, 2012 11:17 pm
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how come no one told me the first image has an extra ring where it's not supposed to be?

replacement image and dishing images are taken, i'll add them tonight.


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Posted on Mon May 14, 2012 12:28 am
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Great article sakredchao! I like the visuals you use with the shower curtain and the wide mouth canning lid. I have read you talking about it and I have used it myself, but this is a great way to using the different colors and photography.

I see that you are already trying to win the prize for best innovation for the year. No wonder you proposed the contest Very Happy


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Posted on Mon May 14, 2012 2:31 am
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lies!

this really wouldn't have happened without the impetus of ravenheart.. i went looking for what i wanted to show them and i thought our library was lacking. "well, that's no good." cause, i think so highly of our site, when it disappoints me, sometimes i fly into -i can do it- mode. usually i can't do it and i get disappoint. this one, however, i could do.


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Posted on Mon May 14, 2012 3:17 am
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dishing added.. as well as some troubleshooting information.. the second image was fixed.


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Posted on Mon May 14, 2012 11:46 am
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[img]http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/gallery_image.php?key=5961[/img]

Huh, look at that... phpBB doesn't recognize that as an image...
I'll look into it.

Edit: Yeah, it ignores PHP Created images on purpose... damn security settings *shakes fist*
Ho hum... We should be linking to Gallery Submissions directly rather than hotlinking the images anyway...


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Posted on Mon May 14, 2012 12:36 pm
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Daemon_Lotos wrote:

Ho hum... We should be linking to Gallery Submissions directly rather than hotlinking the images anyway...


when it's submitted to articles, it'll have its own image. I could have sent cmb a copy of that image to rehost and it would have been displayed.

in my mind, the image of the hat belongs directly in the article. when people say, "here's this theory, go to this other place to look at what i'm talking about", i rarely go to the other place. bouncing back and forth between text on one page and an image on another, is not as helpful as it could be. i can't be the only one who feels this way.

thanks for looking into it. this is only an issue for this article until i get it in the database. the link is fine for now.


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