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Posted on Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:27 am
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So, I'm more or less a newbie at maille, but I've made a few things and I can turna fair product if I set myself to the task, but I have found a real problem. I'm working on a 6-in-1 euro maille shirt, 14g wire, 3/8 in. ID and I'm having trouble with flexibility. I know big suprise... But does anyone have any ideas on how to tighten the chest in such a way that I'll still be able to turn, but also not have giant wrinkles in the shirt when I put on a belt with the armor on, or try and pull my arms together? Currently, the armor is more or less a tube with shoulder straps. From the armpit to the waist, the number of rings in each horizontal row remains constant, and the length in the front is the same as in the back. Thanks in advance for any help or advice!

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Posted on Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:12 am || Last edited by Konstantin the Red on Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:24 am; edited 2 times in total
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Welcome and well come, Kutulus.

Well, if you'd asked earlier, I would have counseled against E6-1 for the entire shirt; no wonder you're having your troubles. In that link AR E4-1 would have done everything you want in a butted mailshirt and at half the all-up weight too.

Even historically, the handful of examples of E6-1 weave were specialist applications to armor problems and above all, they were small compared to the byrnie you presently have. The one example I can think of right off was fifteenth-century neck armor.

And many people in your position have said vauntingly "I can handle the weight, I'm not worried; I'm strong, I can go fight in this," and without exception they go silent on the subject thereafter. I've never heard of anybody sticking with it and staying happy.

I liken that to some guys simply having to unzip and take a whiz on that ole electric fence. Others are willing to learn from watching that guy instead of having to belly up there themselves.

I'm harping on this because you've stated this in armoring terms, like you intend your byrnie for an armor game: a LARP? SCA? What?

Bluntly, you'll be happier with your shirt if you tear most of it down and re-do. If you'd like to make a broad accent-border around your neckhole in 6-1, or have built your shirt so round at the neckhole you can put in a tight-woven, pretty stiff standing collar in there in the same weave, that's fine. And its all-up weight isn't going to beat you into the dust by the end of the day. Your E6-1 shirt already weighs what an E4-1 full hauberk would, doesn't it? Won't you want to allocate some of your burden for a helmet? A gambeson for underneath, and the same for your thighs, to say nothing of armoring elbows, hands, forearms -- and nuts?


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Posted on Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:17 am
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Try building a mailshirt the way Butted Mail: A Mailmakers' Guide instructs, and your shirt will no longer be just a tube but will be fitted to you -- at least if you have a chest measurement larger than your waist. Some Cheeto-eating podgeboys really don't. I'm no beanpole myself, being fifty-five and a bit grandpa-gutted.


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Posted on Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:21 pm
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Thanks for the advice Konstantin! I already pretty much new what the armor was going to weigh, and really, I want this as a show case, not so much as a I-wear-this-into-battle. All the same, thank you very much for the link, and the advice. You showed me far more then what I expected to get, (I haven't had much luck with forums).

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Posted on Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:10 pm
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Kutulus wrote:
(I haven't had much luck with forums).

I'd like to think we're a different breed around these parts of the 'net.

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Posted on Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:21 pm
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Zncon wrote:
Kutulus wrote:
(I haven't had much luck with forums).

I'd like to think we're a different breed around these parts of the 'net.


For better or worser Coif LoL

But yes, the Trevor Barker Guide seems to be the 'Go To' place for first-time questions.



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Posted on Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:27 pm
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I actually just finished a E6-1 full hoody for my apprentice( hes a biker and wanted a hoody specifically for a biker rally coming up) with dragon scale on the shoulders and the hood. The weight while higher than E4-1 as has been noted earlier can be overcame if it isnt intended for true armor purposes (such as SCA, Amtgard or the alike) in my personal experience. I have found trying to use such a piece in any form of re-enactment or battle game is simply put an exhausting adventure. The question is if the stiffness of the pattern is going to inhibit your aspirations for the piece. For instance if you were only trying to use it for display, is the stiffness going to affect the way it is presented on the display( mainican or what ever). If the stiffness becomes to much of an issue a trick that i have used to keep the look but increase the flexibility is to hide E4-1 in places like under the arm along the ribs or any place you think you can hide it with out it being intrusive to the piece. I hope this helps kutulus. Post some pics if you get a chance Coif Smiley


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